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How many creationists practise what they preach?

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Paul of Eugene OR

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Nor the manipulation. We dont really need to discuss how sad it is that people leave the church because everyone doesnt bow to ToE. lol, get real

We saw this happen before, when Copernicus suggested the earth rotates as the cause of day and night. Church folks jumped all over that crazy idea, and today everybody bows down to the earth rotation heresy. Oh my. Tell me you don't.
 
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Like it matters what anyone says here anyway, its the internet, no one is necessarily who or what they seem. I learn that the hard way, time and again.

You complain a lot for someone trying to convince someone (yourself, perhaps?) that none of it matters...
 
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You complain a lot for someone trying to convince someone (yourself, perhaps?) that none of it matters...

Maybe, but a little leaven leavens the whole lump. If what you say is true then that would be the likely cause.
 
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If that is how you feel, Ozspen, don't you think it would also be fair to show the holes in the creation-science world as well? I, for one, could provide a very long typewritten list, believe me. Nobody was around to directly observe the Big Bang, true, but creation-science people overlook that nobody was around to directly observe God creating in six days either. That is but a human-made guesstimation about God, not Absolute Truth based on Absolute Proof. I think it is only fair that the requirements you want put on science classes also be implemented in the churches, so that Sunday-school classes should be required to present Darwin as an alternative to their theories.
 
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Maybe, but a little leaven leavens the whole lump. If what you say is true then that would be the likely cause.

Except you forget that many a mickle makes a muckle...
 
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No, scientific theory can be wrong. New discoveries, new ways of measuring things, new insights etc. and theories are revised or sometimes even abandoned. That's why science works. That's why the scientific method is the only reliable way of understanding natural phenomena. That's why human society has been able to emerge from being comparative brutes who had little control over their lives to ones that can cure diseases, re-attached severed hands, use computers, construct and fly aeroplanes and do all those things from which you and I receive an infinite number of benefits on a daily basis. If it weren't for science my friend, chances are you most probably wouldn't have made it past your sixth birthday. Me neither. So don't knock science!

If you don't have a proper grasp of the meaning of 'theory', that doesn't make you stupid! It simply means that you have not properly investigated was science really is, how it works and why it trumps superstitions and myths a million times over. Sarcasm is unnecessary and probably un-Christian?

YOu are correct, sarcasm is not spiritual. Again, im not knocking science. You just seem to like stereotypes, i guess.
 
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Nobody was around to directly observe the Big Bang, true, but creation-science people overlook that nobody was around to directly observe God creating in six days either.

One major difference. God was there as he created.
What better witness can you have than the creator?
 
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Biology is a natural science concerned with the study of life and living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, evolution, distribution, and taxonomy.

Wow, the word is right in the definition.

Nothing there about origins.

We went over this in another thread. Evolution has nothing to do with how life began. You then repeat the same mis information after being shown that you were wrong. That's intellectually dishonest.

Only if they begin with the same premise; that life originated somehow on its own. Creation scientists begin with a different premise, examine the same evidence and come up with entirely different conclusions.

We don't know how life began. That study is called abiogenesis. It has nothing to do with evolution. Scientists use the scientific method. Using this method, different lines of study come to the same conclusion about the diversity of life. Creationists start at an assumed conclusion and then work backwards, twisting data to support their conclusion. This is pseudoscience and that's why they are mocked.

Wow, no kidding? Did you come to that conclusion on your own?

Next you'll be telling me that eyewitness testimony must be stricken from all courthouses since they rely on the personal interpretation of different senses from different angles of view, and personal testimony is not testable.
I think the courts would disagree.

I'm not sure why you need to resort to childish responses. Anyway, yes, eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable evidence there is.

Is foolishness your goal or just an ancillary effect?

Care to answer to the question instead of dodging and hurling insults?

The theory of evolution has nothing to do with biology, either. As pointed out, biology is the study of living things.

Hm, yes, biology does deal with evolution. You even pointed out the definition of biology. Let's take a look at that post of yours once again shall we?
Biology is a natural science concerned with the study of life and living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, evolution, distribution, and taxonomy.

Did you even bother to read the definition you provided? You say evolution has nothing to do with evolution, yet you provide a definition with the very word in it. Now you either didn't bother to read the definition or you are being incredibly dishonest.

Since evolution is disproved by a higher authority, Christians who adhere to the teaching of Scripture reject evolution.

You can tell yourself that all you want, you'll still be wrong. Saying that species are individually created is demonstrably false. The evidence is clear. No matter how much you want to reject it, it's not going away :)

Also, you committed the no true Scotsman fallacy. Christians who accept evolution are just as much a Christian as you are. They just know that Genesis isn't meant to be read literally.

Nothing has been shown to evolve. The fossil record shows us animals that lived and died without ancestor or predecessor.

DNA and genetics demonstrate that you are wrong.
 
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That is beside the point, Pat34lee. The issue is whether any of us were there to observe God creating in six days or not, and the answer is no, which makes this claim a human speculation or guesstimation. For example, many other scenarios with God and creation can also be imagined and make sense. To begin with, much depends on your interpretation of Genesis. And who says you are right? Some feel it is not to be taken literally; others argue that the term "day" used could meant otherwise that a 24-hour period, etc. I can and have made a very solid case that evolution would be impossible without God, who works in and through evolution, as is himself or herself undergoing an evolutionary process. I can also make a petty solid case that Genesis really is two contradictory creation accounts written at different times. I can also argue that God never intended Genesis or any other geophysical references in the Bible to be scientifically accurate in the first place. Yours is definitely not the only game in town and I would submit I consider it the least likely of our speculations to be anywhere near the truth of teh matter.
 
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To "teach the controversy" in a science class is an absolute crock because when it comes to the theory of evolution there really is no controversy.

This. There's no controversy at all, except for on the internet where there's a controversy about everything.
 
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Everyone learns how to breed animals and plants.
It's the stories about birds being dinosaurs that
have no value.
What about fish having legs?
Mudskipper_duet.jpg
 
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I would tell my child to tell them we walk by faith and not by sight; and we're not obligated to defend our faith in the face of Egyptian (worldly) science.

I would explain to him that our faith is a shield, not an offensive weapon -- (Ephesians 6).

The Bible is our offensive weapon.

Why are you not teaching your children the truth of 1 Peter 3:15 (ESV), 'but in your hearts honour Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defence to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect'?

You also dead defensive weapons and your approach doesn't seem to include that of 1 Peter 3:15 (ESV).
 
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Hardly a valid comparison since evolution is correct it is not "arming" a student when you teach him or her what happened. Now if your beliefs get "blown up" as a result that is not the child's fault, that is your fault for choosing a false belief in the first place.
Agreed. Or shelter them, until they go to college and reject the unnecessary dogma along with the meaningful aspects of their faith as well.
 
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