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How many Christians will be saved?

How many Christians will be saved?

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Neogaia777

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If this is true, then god is a psychpath who couldnt be bothered to care for his creation. Itsike a married couple who sires children only to auction them off to cannabistic pedophiles as soon as theyre born. God hates most people and came to destroy most of them. If he really wanted to save, he couldve done a better job
That's because that is just not true... That's a or the lie or deception of the enemy...

Would you not want him to condemn the hedonistic, cannibalistic pedophiles to hell or judge them at some point for what they've done, and spare the victims of such ones and save them for a heavenly afterlife, full of true pleasure and much delight and overabundant joy forever and ever...?

God Bless!
 
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That's because that is just not true... That's a or the lie or deception of the enemy...

Would you not want him to condemn the hedonistic, cannibalistic pedophiles to hell or judge them at some point for what they've done, and spare the victims of such ones and save them for a heavenly afterlife, full of true pleasure and much delight and overabundant joy forever and ever...?

God Bless!
I like your post better than I like mine long-standing a fierce struggle with image of God
 
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"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand." John 10:27-29

Thank you for these verses. I am a bit surprised there has not been more discussion about them because they are really quite emphatic.
 
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Thank you for these verses. I am a bit surprised there has not been more discussion about them because they are really quite emphatic.
It's the phrase "who has given them to me" that really bothers people.
 
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We must differentiate between heavenly rewards and those who will be saved. If someone is a member of the body of Christ they will be saved. I say we must differentiate between heavenly rewards and people who will be saved because one is based on works the other faith. We have no reason to believe that if someone really does believe God raised Jesus Christ from the dead and is their lord and savior that this person will not receive eternal life. And anyone who believes that is a christian and a part of the body of Christ. Now how many people really believe this I can't say but in todays secular society there is very little reason to be dishonest about what you really believe, so if someone says they are a christian and understands what a christian is then nobody is in any position but God to say this person is not a christian and won't be saved.
Amen. Why are people trying to figure out who will go to heaven anyway, no one knows anyone's heart but God and faith is mostly in the heart and mind, not an external thing anyone but Christ knows.
 
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All true Christians will be saved. But those who are basically deists who "kinda like Jesus" are not true Christians. I was raised as the latter, in a very liberal church. I was clueless about the basic truths which are taught in the New Testament and do not believe that I was saved at that time, even though I believed that there was a God who acted as Creator and that Jesus was an especially holy man who I liked (I even remember feeling that I loved Him as a small child). It wasn't until later that I believed the truth and had the laying on of hands, which often is the means for imparting the Holy Spirit (this is normative in the early Church, as seen in the New Testament). My life has never been the same since. Romans 8:9 tells us that without the permanent indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, we can't even know what it means to be a true Christian. Some would say that "All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved" and that may be so, but seeking the "Spirit-led life" is a part of what we are taught in the New Testament and I wouldn't want to trust my eternal destiny to happenstance. The Scriptures teach us the necessity of being "born again from above" and I pray that all who seek Him will truly find Him and the blessings of His Spirit.
So then what is it that get's us the Holy Spirit? Becasue that is your entire thing, right?
 
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Quote:

The saved in Heaven according to the count: 100 million angels ( Rev 5:11 )
How do you even get that number from

King James Bible
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Show me that is an exact number.
 
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How do you even get that number from

King James Bible
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Show me that is an exact number.
I've always thought it was funny how people use obvious approximations as though they were actual counts.

The text "ten thousand times ten thousand" could just as easily be rendered "tens of thousand times tens of thousand". This, of course, would be a much larger total.
 
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Yet Christ was speaking of a time after both of those so his words are perfectly valid. Most humans will not receive eternal life. That's just a fact.

God also said,

Numbers 19:2-3,

2 This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

3 And ye shall give her unto Eleazar the priest, that he may bring her forth without the camp, and one shall slay her before his face:
So why don't Christians follow that? To me it's simple. He said that to the Jews before the day of Pentecost. Christians after Pentecost are a different animal altogether. If you want to live as a Jew under Old Testament you will miss all the blessings God has for his born again sons and daughters. You will also have a house full of the blood of heifers and doves.

All scripture is for our learning (Romans 15:4), but not all scripture is written to us Christians. Actually very little is addressed specifically to the church of God: Romans through Thessalonians. Those are the only books that tell you what you, as a born again believer, have in Christ Jesus. They tell a decidedly different message than the Old Testament, including the Gospels. No where else will you read that God has chosen you from before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blame (Ephesians 1:3-4). Nor will you find anywhere in the OT where God says you are as righteous as he himself is (Romans 3:2), and much more.

I didn't hint that everybody will be saved. The Bible doesn't even come close to saying that and that's my only source for truth, so I'm not sure why you suggested I said that.

I'm just saying that Christians need to keep in mind to whom God is speaking (Jew, Gentile, or church of God - 1 Corinthinas 1:32) and what time he is saying it (OT vs NT). The Bible will never make sense if everything in it is taken to be written to the same people during the same time period. Come on, surely something must have changed when Christ rose from the dead and sat at the right hand his father. No?
 
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Greetings, Rrobsr. I don't believe we've talked before.

Ok, I will engage with you here, although I reserve the right to kindly and respectfully back out if I can tell we are hopelessly at odds in our theology.

Here would be my question to you: The verse in question is Matthew 7:14. If this only applies to Jews, are you saying that the entire passage of Matthew 7:12-20 only does as well? If so, then what is the "fire" referred to in Matthew 7:19? Not setting the stage to argue with you. As stated, I may be backing out of this in a post or two. I'm just curious as to how you apply the surrounding context.

The Old Testament, including the Gospels, were written to the Jews, so yes, all of Matthew was written to the Jews before the day of Pentecost when the new birth became available for the first time ever. The church of God, composed of born again believers (Christians, including you and I) did not come into existence until the day of Pentecost (Acts 2).

In the Old Testament, justification came by following the law to the letter, a narrow road indeed. In the New Testament we are freely justified by grace (Romans 3:24). Not so narrow. If only Christians knew what they were freely given by God in the New Testament, the world would be a different place. I don't understand why the churches keep everybody under the Old Testament. When was the last time your minister taught from the book of Ephesians? The churches are largely silent when it comes to the books of Romans through Thessalonian. Those are the only books in the Bible written specifically to the born again believers. Now please don't say I dismiss the rest of the Bible.

Rom 15:4,

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Aforetime what? Before the age of grace, i.e. the Old Testament. We can certainly learn from the OT, but it is not written to us. Else, why don't we sacrifice heifers and doves every Sunday on the altar? Because that was written to the Jews before the day of Pentecost, not to the Cristians after the day of Pentecost.

I hope this stimulates your curiosity to study this matter. Every believer that becomes free from the shackles of the OT law and walks into the glorious light of the NT introduces more light into this otherwise dark world. Try to learn the difference between Jew, Gentile and the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32). Also investigate the different "eras" in God's word.

Eph 2:11-13,

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

God talks about time past, and now. The difference is dramatic, to say the least. But the best is yet to come.

Eph 1:10-11,

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

The fullness of times is speaking of his return when God will establish a new heaven and new earth spoken of in the book of Revelations. We can keep track of past, present, and future in everyday life, but when it comes to God's word, all logic flies out the window. I don't get it.

The main thing to understand to make sense out of the Bible is that God speaks to different people at different times. The things he told Moses are not the same things at all he told the Apostle Paul. It's so simple. I don't understand why Christians so want to argue with God.
 
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If this is true, then god is a psychpath who couldnt be bothered to care for his creation. Itsike a married couple who sires children only to auction them off to cannabistic pedophiles as soon as theyre born. God hates most people and came to destroy most of them. If he really wanted to save, he couldve done a better job
Jesus spoke a parable regarding wheat and tares..a man sowed good seed but while he slept, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat . If you pull up the weeds , you will uproot the wheat ..they must grow together until the end of the age.
Who says that everyone is born of God ? What if God has an eternal agenda that transcends this life and transcends this world ? What if His plan is to populate eternity for those who love truth, are not rebellious , are meek , are loving , patient ( long suffering ) and not willing that any should perish ? In other words ..what if that place is only for those who are being transformed into His image ? Shall He also allow the rebellious , self willed , loud , arrogant and proud ..the self seeking ? How would that be paradise ? Would those type of people soon overrun the meek ? Shall rebellion happen in heaven again ?
So in other words , what if this is about God, His original idea for humanity and not about man -kind per se ? What if His desire is for us to be reconciled to Him and receive life but we refuse life ? Who's faulty is that ?
 
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Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Now we always read before and after a verse. Is this verse really talking about every lasting life? To me I see in the NT Jesus came to give us life and give it to us more abundantly. We can see that the road to destruction is wide and in this world MANY find it. Yet that road that leads to LIFE.. where was He talking about ..the after life ..things like that? Few find this road in this life. I come to give you LIFE..

As for the OPS question. Since we dont know the heart.. PRAISE GOD we DO NOT Get a say in this. Well MAN loves to think FEW will be saved. This is not written. Who ever believes ..John 3:16-17...who ever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. <---man ADDS to this.

God is out to SAVE this world. Jesus said.. who ever comes to me I will in no way cast out. See when MAN tells me.. few will be saved.. I am going to believe that mans ways.. thoughts what ever are NOT HIS..and what I can not see HE DOES! And NO ONE is lost by chance..if you were blind you would have no sin.. you say you see..your sin remains. Jesus said..if I had not come and spoke they would have no sin.

MILLIONS of MILLIONS have never heard JESUS came died.. lost are they? Or blind? Never heard the truth? For me.. I believe they will be judged based on the light they had. The LAW was written on our hearts..what each does .. will be judged or if you know Christ has been judged.

Anyway.. I believe many will be saved few will be lost.
 
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Jesus said..if I had not come and spoke they would have no sin.

Hi Blade, where does Jesus say that?

MILLIONS of MILLIONS have never heard JESUS came died.. lost are they? Or blind? Never heard the truth? For me.. I believe they will be judged based on the light they had. The LAW was written on our hearts..what each does .. will be judged or if you know Christ has been judged.

I agree. God judges us on the basis of the knowledge we possess and understand. So some (as you mentioned) will be judged by the law that was "written in their hearts" by God (because that's the only "law" they know .. Romans 2:12-16).

In saying that however, it's important to remember this about those who are not saved by grace: They will be judged worthy of either Heaven or Hell on the basis of THEIR works ... not Christ's. Which means:

"Whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at one point, he has become guilty of all" ~James 2:10

"All who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law" ~Romans 2:12a
Yours in Christ,
David

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18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Hi Blade, where does Jesus say that?

John 15:22...

Also says if he had not opened their eyes or say they see and are not blind, in John 9:41, or done the works that he did in John 15:24...

God Bless!
 
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Neogaia777

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Thanks Neogaia :)

Now, what do you believe Jesus was actually teaching us in John 15:22 & John 15:24? (you might as well add John 9:41 into the mix as well ;)).

Thanks!

--David
I think it means that when we come to know the truth, or the closer we get to truth, or are exposed to truth, we have a greater responsibility when it comes to our sin(s)... Or if not a greater responsibility to not sin as much, a greater responsibility to, at the very least "acknowledge" our sin, submit ourselves to God continually, and throw ourselves upon his mercies always, when it comes to our sin, if we find that we cannot do away with it (the sins or sinning), the more we are exposed and the closer we come to knowing the truth...

God Bless!
 
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A serious disease outbreak occurred after WW2. Authorities picked up anyone who was exposed to prevent its spread. Didn't matter who you were, good or bad, anyone who had been exposed was locked up. like a lot of diseases, you may not look sick, might look great on outer appearances. Some diseases are so deadly you can be healthy in the morning and dead by nightfall. Sin is like that. The Bible compares leaven to sin. Leaven is yeast, a micro-organism that grows quickly. Disease spreads through the blood, and medical science discovered a couple of centuries ago to look for cures for disease in the blood. If they could find someone who was exposed to a particular disease, they could use the blood of that person to make a vaccine that could save others. Sin is spiritual in nature, but a disease nonetheless. The Bible says sin cannot enter in. Jesus had to be exposed to the disease, overcome the disease, and make shed his blood. The World Health Organization brought a vaccine for mumps and measles that would save children. Parents in many villages refused it. They thought it was silly that injecting a chemical into the blood of their children would prevent them from getting sick. Sound familiar? People reject the concept of salvation for the same reason. It defies mans logic. But it doesn't make it any less real. We may never understand the mechanics of salvation, but make no doubt about it, Its real!
 
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I voted all because if they are truly a Christian, born from above and predestined, they will definitely be saved. The point of the other thread is that there are some who call themselves Christians who are not.
 
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