How many christans believe in Evolution

Foreshadow · Apr 27, 2009

Since creationism and evolution can go hand and hand how many Christians believe in theistic evolution.

drich0150 · Apr 27, 2009

I believe that if you believe in creation or evolution or a little bit of both, There is going to be a large measure of faith expended on either side of the argument.
Which will ultimately boil down to what it is you want to believe about God.

Foreshadow · Apr 27, 2009

thanks for the response.

chilehed · Apr 27, 2009

I find theistic evolution to be the theory that best fits the available evidence, yes.

DrBubbaLove · Apr 27, 2009

I like what a wise old man once said, basically that even if we could prove evolution explains how we look (with God's hand in it of course), it cannot explain how we came to have our immortal human souls.

You cannot "evolve" the spiritual side of humans from nature. Evolution requires a change in something that already exists in nature.

Suggestion Box · Apr 28, 2009

i guess i do... i don't know why creation and evolution seem to be mutually exclusive to so many in the first place.

let me be mildly creative for a sec to explain my reasoning (after all we're talking about stuff with very little evidence; speculation ain't so bad). if nothing else, then for our entertainment.

Genesis 2, (allegory or no, symbolism is a useful tool), says God made man from dust. doesn't go into detail about the formation process. now, if you know anything about evolution, you know that it doesn't stop at apes. apes evolved from --- evolved from --- evolved from... all the way down to inanimate objects. rocks. or maybe really small rocks. sand? dust, even!

so it's at least conceivable that God took some inanimate dust and started the formation process, and even shaped it along the way, something we like to call 'evolution'.

if you think that's silly, try evolution without creation. sand, over millions of years, instead of dispersing like everything else in the universe, decided it would get up and start movin' around. the sand with more favorable traits (nice and soft?) survived (didn't spontaneously combust?), and the sand with less favorable traits (too muddy?) died (was magically obliterated).

the subject is kind of a moot point in my book.

ebia · Apr 28, 2009

Defender Of Reason said:
Since creationism and evolution can go hand and hand how many Christians believe in theistic evolution.

Probably most of them. But America is not typical of other first world countries, and most of the world's Christians live in Third World and developing countries with limited access to education and where it is impossible to poll, so it's hard to say.

divided sky · Apr 28, 2009

I don't think creationism and evolution go hand in hand. They are competing theories.

Celticflower · Apr 28, 2009

I've always viewed evolution as a tool used by the Creator.

divided sky · Apr 28, 2009

Celticflower said:
I've always viewed evolution as a tool used by the Creator.

I would concur.

salida · Apr 28, 2009

I believe in microevolution and some macroevolution. But darwinism is a farce in that it makes claims that something came from nothing.

divided sky · Apr 28, 2009

salida said:
But darwinism is a farce in that it makes claims that something came from nothing.

Actually, Darwinism makes no claim about where the universe came from, if that's what you're referring to here.

Foreshadow · Apr 28, 2009

Darwinism does not even talk about the origin of life. That is just christians talking . Darwinism is talking about species changing over time.

Andreusz · Apr 29, 2009

salida said:
I believe in microevolution and some macroevolution. But darwinism is a farce in that it makes claims that something came from nothing.

Where does it make that claim?

aiki · Apr 29, 2009

Evolution is not compatible with the Bible's account of creation. You cannot reasonably hold a truly biblical view of the origin of Man and at the same time espouse the view that evolution has brought mankind to its present state of being. The molecules-to-man theoretical process called Evolution has yet to be shown to actually occur. Natural selection, speciation, and mutation all fail to produce the never-before-seen, new genetic information necessary for primordial ooze to become things like elephants, roses, spiders, and humans.

Consider the following: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/508.asp

Peace to you.

divided sky · Apr 29, 2009

aiki said:
Evolution is not compatible with the Bible's account of creation.

You are correct only if you interpret the Bible's accounts of creation as literally happening, and many faithful Christians do not. By the way, note that accounts is plural. There are two accounts of creation in Genesis.

You cannot reasonably hold a truly biblical view of the origin of Man and at the same time espouse the view that evolution has brought mankind to its present state of being.

Again, not if you interpret the accounts of creation in Genesis as literally happening. But consider it's possible the accounts in Genesis were not meant to be taken literally but are trying to communicate Mankind's relationship with the Creator.

aiki · Apr 29, 2009

You are correct only if you interpret the Bible's accounts of creation as literally happening, and many faithful Christians do not. By the way, note that accounts is plural. There are two accounts of creation in Genesis.

There are many faithful Christians who do take literally what the Bible relates about the genesis of the universe and of our world. They do so without having to make any concessions to naturalistic thinking. I cannot say the same about the Christians you've mentioned...

In any event, the Theory of Evolution remains unsubstantiated by science. As I said, there has never been a single instance where the necessary generation of new, never-before-seen genetic information has occurred. Moreover, the Theory of Evolution cannot account for the genetic information which already exists. It takes information to generate even a single cell, or even the various parts of a cell. Where does this information come from? Evolution cannot say. In light of these facts it seems unnecessary - and theologically dangerous - to attempt to reconcile the Word of God to this unproven theory by suggesting the creation account is merely metaphor.

Again, not if you interpret the accounts of creation in Genesis as literally happening. But consider it's possible the accounts in Genesis were not meant to be taken literally but are trying to communicate Mankind's relationship with the Creator.

I have considered the possibility of the Creation account being just metaphor. It doesn't wash. As well, it creates significant problems for Christian theology and doctrine.

Peace to you.

Foreshadow · Apr 29, 2009

I am going to keep this short so I dont break any rule.
Creationism: God created everything
Evolution: Species change over time
How they can be used together: God created everything using evolution as a tool to create his animals and humans and perfect them over time.
Would this work christians?

ebia · Apr 29, 2009

Defender Of Reason said:
I am going to keep this short so I dont break any rule.
Creationism: God created everything
Evolution: Species change over time
How they can be used together: God created everything using evolution as a tool to create his animals and humans and perfect them over time.
Would this work christians?

Roughly, that's what most Christians with a Theistic Evolutionary outlook hold to.

Foreshadow · Apr 29, 2009

Hmm then whats the problem?

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