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<blockquote data-quote="The Righterzpen" data-source="post: 74653433" data-attributes="member: 417122"><p>King James never translates that particular word as "sin". It's most commonly translated "iniquity". (Also translated "guilty" and "punishment".)</p><p></p><p>Behold in iniquity; (fearfully) withering I to come forth in (of the formation of) sin and in (the heat) of conception was my mother.</p><p></p><p>"In iniquity" appears to me to be a reference to the fallen nature. It's a reference to the fact that because of the fallen nature he will sin.</p><p></p><p>The word "sin" here in the Hebrew means to be in formation of. Sin is formulated in the heart before its manifest in the flesh. So thus being conceived with a fallen nature, eventually leads to sin; even if that sin is yet to be conceived of.</p><p></p><p>If someone does not have the cognitive capacity to formulate thoughts; they can't "think to sin"; even if the capacity of the fallen nature (in the "heart" (or conscience)) is present at conception.</p><p></p><p>Now "the heat of conception was my mother" appears to me to be a reference to the instilled natural drive all creation has been instilled with to reproduce. The term is usually used in reference to animals mating.</p><p></p><p>I don't think the passage is saying that the mother's desire to have sex was sinful in and of itself; just that the potential to sin is always "crouching at the door" (like God told Cain). Now if it manifests into sin? That's another question.</p><p></p><p>The potential to sin is like a dark shadow that follows all humanity of what ever we do. What causes "crossing the line" is different with everyone. This is why some people are prone to becoming drug addicts and others to embezzling money. The manifestation of "what type of sin" is very individually determined on a lot of factors; both conscious and unconscious. This is why the question of who's accountable for what and why; is a tricky one to answer.</p><p></p><p>Also why God is omniscient and we are not!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Righterzpen, post: 74653433, member: 417122"] King James never translates that particular word as "sin". It's most commonly translated "iniquity". (Also translated "guilty" and "punishment".) Behold in iniquity; (fearfully) withering I to come forth in (of the formation of) sin and in (the heat) of conception was my mother. "In iniquity" appears to me to be a reference to the fallen nature. It's a reference to the fact that because of the fallen nature he will sin. The word "sin" here in the Hebrew means to be in formation of. Sin is formulated in the heart before its manifest in the flesh. So thus being conceived with a fallen nature, eventually leads to sin; even if that sin is yet to be conceived of. If someone does not have the cognitive capacity to formulate thoughts; they can't "think to sin"; even if the capacity of the fallen nature (in the "heart" (or conscience)) is present at conception. Now "the heat of conception was my mother" appears to me to be a reference to the instilled natural drive all creation has been instilled with to reproduce. The term is usually used in reference to animals mating. I don't think the passage is saying that the mother's desire to have sex was sinful in and of itself; just that the potential to sin is always "crouching at the door" (like God told Cain). Now if it manifests into sin? That's another question. The potential to sin is like a dark shadow that follows all humanity of what ever we do. What causes "crossing the line" is different with everyone. This is why some people are prone to becoming drug addicts and others to embezzling money. The manifestation of "what type of sin" is very individually determined on a lot of factors; both conscious and unconscious. This is why the question of who's accountable for what and why; is a tricky one to answer. Also why God is omniscient and we are not! [/QUOTE]
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