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<blockquote data-quote="ChristopherHays" data-source="post: 74651443" data-attributes="member: 422553"><p>“<strong>Your a hypocrite yourself! You would kill embryos to save someone else "for the greater good"; yet you get mad at God for either allowing (or even commanding) to kill people (also for a greater good); but because you don't see what that greater good is - it's suddenly immoral when God does it?”</strong></p><p></p><p>I never said I would kill embryos, I said I wouldn’t want to make that choice. What greater good could possibly come from killing those babies in the Bible? I’m not going to “take it on faith” that killing babies is somehow good in the long run. That is an extraordinary claim that absolutely needs a satisfying answer before anyone should accept it. What greater good was done by aborting bastards and killing Canaanite infants? </p><p></p><p></p><p>“<strong>NO ONE is innocent outside of Christ; when speaking in terms of committing sin.”</strong></p><p></p><p>What sin has a baby committed? I know the answer is “original sin” but that’s another immoral teaching in my perspective. Babies and especially unborn babies couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>“<strong>We are all either punished for our own sin; or Christ was punished for us!”</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>It’s not about weather the mother deserves to be punished though. My objection is to killing innocent babies for the crimes of its mother. The mothers guilt or innocence doesn’t relate to my objection... The whole Christian religion is founded on the idea that guilty people can be transfer their guilt to something innocent (Jesus, sacrificial lambs etc.) This itself is immoral. Punishing someone innocent is not ever acceptable. No judge in the civilized world would ever let a criminal go free if someone else served the jail sentence. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>“And I went over every single one of these verses you claimed supported all your accusations against God.</strong></p><p><strong>So not only are you a hypocrite; you're a liar (because you claim these verses say things they don't).”</strong></p><p></p><p>I quoted the verses. They speak for themselves. Maybe if all 40,000 Christian denominations could agree on something it would be easier to know what the book actually says. Until then, I’ll read it myself, and from my perspective it clearly advocates genocide, abortion, slavery, rape, and murder. I don’t think you’re objections were compelling.</p><p></p><p></p><p>“<strong>So stop <em><u>WHINING</u></em> about suffering on this planet. There's no reason you or anyone else should be exempt from it!”</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I’m not whining and that’s very insulting to people who are suffering. This will be my last response in this thread. Hope you and your son have a great new year <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ChristopherHays, post: 74651443, member: 422553"] “[B]Your a hypocrite yourself! You would kill embryos to save someone else "for the greater good"; yet you get mad at God for either allowing (or even commanding) to kill people (also for a greater good); but because you don't see what that greater good is - it's suddenly immoral when God does it?”[/B] I never said I would kill embryos, I said I wouldn’t want to make that choice. What greater good could possibly come from killing those babies in the Bible? I’m not going to “take it on faith” that killing babies is somehow good in the long run. That is an extraordinary claim that absolutely needs a satisfying answer before anyone should accept it. What greater good was done by aborting bastards and killing Canaanite infants? “[B]NO ONE is innocent outside of Christ; when speaking in terms of committing sin.”[/B] What sin has a baby committed? I know the answer is “original sin” but that’s another immoral teaching in my perspective. Babies and especially unborn babies couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything. “[B]We are all either punished for our own sin; or Christ was punished for us!”[/B] It’s not about weather the mother deserves to be punished though. My objection is to killing innocent babies for the crimes of its mother. The mothers guilt or innocence doesn’t relate to my objection... The whole Christian religion is founded on the idea that guilty people can be transfer their guilt to something innocent (Jesus, sacrificial lambs etc.) This itself is immoral. Punishing someone innocent is not ever acceptable. No judge in the civilized world would ever let a criminal go free if someone else served the jail sentence. [B]“And I went over every single one of these verses you claimed supported all your accusations against God. So not only are you a hypocrite; you're a liar (because you claim these verses say things they don't).”[/B] I quoted the verses. They speak for themselves. Maybe if all 40,000 Christian denominations could agree on something it would be easier to know what the book actually says. Until then, I’ll read it myself, and from my perspective it clearly advocates genocide, abortion, slavery, rape, and murder. I don’t think you’re objections were compelling. “[B]So stop [I][U]WHINING[/U][/I] about suffering on this planet. There's no reason you or anyone else should be exempt from it!”[/B] I’m not whining and that’s very insulting to people who are suffering. This will be my last response in this thread. Hope you and your son have a great new year :) [/QUOTE]
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