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<blockquote data-quote="ChristopherHays" data-source="post: 74637266" data-attributes="member: 422553"><p>I think you misunderstood or wrongly dismissed everything I said. </p><p></p><p>It’s extremely offensive to suggest I’m okay with rape and murder because I don’t follow your religion. I’ll gladly explain in detail the real source of morality, but I think you’ll automatically dismiss it anyway... so I’ll make it short. </p><p></p><p>We evolved in family groups. Our ancestors who stayed in the group were more likely to survive and pass on their genes. Individuals or groups who stole, killed, etc. would not be likely to survive or successfully raise offspring. Everything we consider good or bad can be found in nature. Most often, animal behaviors that align with our morality come from social mammals. Basically, anything that improves the groups survival is good and anything that hurts the group is bad. Rape, slavery, bigotry etc. are more developed moral wrongs, but it’s not hard to see why societies that embraced them were outcompeted by those that didn’t. </p><p></p><p>you said “morals boil down to who has the most power is the one who's always right” this is wrong because we understand power continuously shifts, and we want our offspring to survive that shift... so we don’t abuse power and we consider it wrong when others abuse power. </p><p></p><p>Basically, what people consider wrong is a combination of their evolution and experience. Because variation is a necessary part of evolution, 3% of the population will have varying moral understanding. we call these people sociopaths. Their existence makes perfect sense with evolution and no sense with god. Why would god give us moral absolutes and then make millions is sociopaths to screw things up?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Didn’t want to write that much, but it’s a complicated issue. Not gonna do it right now but I’d love to explain why the Bible absolutely does condone rape.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ChristopherHays, post: 74637266, member: 422553"] I think you misunderstood or wrongly dismissed everything I said. It’s extremely offensive to suggest I’m okay with rape and murder because I don’t follow your religion. I’ll gladly explain in detail the real source of morality, but I think you’ll automatically dismiss it anyway... so I’ll make it short. We evolved in family groups. Our ancestors who stayed in the group were more likely to survive and pass on their genes. Individuals or groups who stole, killed, etc. would not be likely to survive or successfully raise offspring. Everything we consider good or bad can be found in nature. Most often, animal behaviors that align with our morality come from social mammals. Basically, anything that improves the groups survival is good and anything that hurts the group is bad. Rape, slavery, bigotry etc. are more developed moral wrongs, but it’s not hard to see why societies that embraced them were outcompeted by those that didn’t. you said “morals boil down to who has the most power is the one who's always right” this is wrong because we understand power continuously shifts, and we want our offspring to survive that shift... so we don’t abuse power and we consider it wrong when others abuse power. Basically, what people consider wrong is a combination of their evolution and experience. Because variation is a necessary part of evolution, 3% of the population will have varying moral understanding. we call these people sociopaths. Their existence makes perfect sense with evolution and no sense with god. Why would god give us moral absolutes and then make millions is sociopaths to screw things up? Didn’t want to write that much, but it’s a complicated issue. Not gonna do it right now but I’d love to explain why the Bible absolutely does condone rape. [/QUOTE]
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