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Woob,
I don't know if this is helpful, but, have you ever noticed that the people who take things the hardest are the ones the obnoxious people in this world love to torment most? The more injured you act, the more they want to injure you, to make sport of you and enjoy your discomfiture. But people who take things in stride, who let insults pass like water off a duck's back, they leave alone. Why? Because tormenting those people is no fun. In fact, it only makes the tormentor feel worse about themselves- You know the verse about pouring hot coals over someone by returning evil with kindness?

Romans 12:20 On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


Now I'm not saying don't take legal action against these bad actors. Do what you can to recover what is lost and take advantage as far as possible of whatever legal means, however inadequate, to ameliorate your loss.

But I think Satan hits us more when we grouse and complain, and when he sees that he can ruin our joy in life and make us question God. On the other hand, when we react in grace and faith, and it shows that material things are not so important to us, Satan leaves us alone- he doesn't want to give us an opportunity for a good witness!

Faith doesn't always mean trusting that God will dig you out of your ditch. Sometimes Faith means trusting that God is with you in that ditch, and being thankful for His company.

A story I like by Corrie Ten Boom, is when she and her sister were in the concentration camp (I think it was Ravensbruch), and the fleas in the barracks were driving them crazy. They read in the Bible to give thanks for all things, in all circumstances. They had a Bible, which was a miracle and a blessing in itself, because if the guards found it, they would confiscate it, and the women in that barracks would have no Bible. So the women knelt one evening and praised God and thanked Him for the fleas!

Later someone overheard the guards talking. They learned that the guards hated to inspect that barracks because every time they went in, they were attacked by fleas, so they only did cursory and inadequate searches. The women realized that it was because of the fleas that they were able to have the Bible.

Faith counts it that everything that comes into our lives is allowed by God for a purpose- not caused by Him, but allowed. It's only through these discomforts that He is able to bless us with the greatest spiritual blessings. And the greatest blessing any Christian would ever want is the opportunity to glorify God by trusting Him in spite of circumstances.

Your floor will burn some day. But the testimony of your faith, by the way you react to things with grace and faith will last forever. How long will bad actors rip you off and torment you? How long do you want to do you want your life witness to glorify Him by you praising Him in all circumstances? When you give these things a purpose, it makes them easier to take. This isn't a problem. This is an opportunity!

Tela--THANK YOU--THANK YOU--THANK YOU--for this marvelous post! How often we need reminding to praise God even when we are IN the pit. The comment you made about being a 'good' witness smacked me right upside the head. Thank you. I am going to copy and print your comments and mail them to someone I KNOW will really appreciate this as much as I do. OH--I hope I won't be accused of plagiarizing--lol.Thank you again so much for your insightful and well written commentary.
 
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Again, I'm sorry. I only have intimate knowledge of my intelligence. Why are you making our intelligences an issue?
Perhaps because you seem hell-bent on bending yours toward the nefarious purposes of manufactured denial and self-justification.
I saw what you did and I know who you are.
 
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I saw what you did and I know who you are.
I don't know what that is supposed to imply but there is nothing I can do about it. I am still in the process of discovering myself so maybe I can check with you along the way.
 
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that is a vicious and vile thing to say to someone being pushed around by life. how dare you attempt spiritual molestation in My presence. you will NOT opportunistically seize upon your brother's suffering as an occasion to press your theological gripe NOR shall you attempt to manipulate his conscience by taking advantage of his pain. SHAME on you. DESPICABLE. DISGRACEFUL. :mad:

Ahh--well stated Moriah. What else could I add? Thank you.
 
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Woob--If I may add something to all thats been said here. Somewhere in the Word of God, and forgive me I cannot find it just now so I'll paraphrase, it says that we look at others as we are ourselves. In other words, if you are a trustworthy, hard worker; you assume EVERYONE is like that. This is why we are shocked at times over the actions of others. Because we ourselves would never act in such a way.So Woob--it was natural for you to assume that those you hired to do a good and honest job, would. Now you are shocked and yes, even angered, that they would cheat you in such a horrible manner. This is precisely why God claims REVENGE as His own. He doesn't want His good hearted children to get into the place for revenge, because then WE would become defiled ourselves. We really don't understand the true meaning of revenge. So having said that, there is always lessons to be learned while living in this crazy world. So in the future, be more cautious. I know--I don't like to have to second guess ppl either. But it has become necessary. And believe me--anyone worth his/her salt doesn't mind being questioned as to their reliability. Only the crooks hate the light of investigation.Please don't get discouraged Woo--God has not abandoned you. Oh yes--believe me--I KNOW very well that feeling of abandonment. But then--so did Jesus..Mt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?This explosion of agony from the lips of our suffering Saviour, I believe was once again, done for us. Jesus knew (remember, He was flesh too) that there would be times in our lives when circumstances were so intense, that we would indeed feel abandoned by God.But look at our Lord's dying words..Lu 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.Jesus forsook His agonizing thought of abandonment and held on to the Fathers promise made to Him before the worlds were and then was able IN FAITH, to call God, Father and even commend His life into His hands.Hang in there Woob--discouragment is of the evil one. Look up friend, our Redemption draweth nigh.
 
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Sentipente,

a person's theology does not change the fact that there are REALLY bad people out there that look for opportunities to take advantage of others. Therefore, your point is pointless, since it really has no logical basis in this situation.

Granted, there are times when we perceive others to be bad when they really aren't, because our theology dictates that they must be bad. Such conclusions result from us having a wrong view of what constitutes badness. This, of course, is obviously not the case here.

Therefore, I think you should consider CONTEXT before making a point.
 
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Hi Woob,

I think you have had enough "encouragement" for one day. What I think you need right now is a Rx for the original problem.

I don't know all of the details of your fiasco with the contractor and the tile setter or the date things started to go wrong. However there are some things that you can and should do quickly.

In your state the first thing you need to do is file a complaint with the State Contractors Licensing Board. Before you call them, compile everything that has anything to do with what has taken place. That includes names, addresses, phone numbers, dates work was done, how the work was paid for and records of that, where the material was purchased if known. Sit down with your wife and do a little brain storming and try to think of every conversation that was had with anyone involved, no matter if face to face or on the phone. The more information you have the easier it will be to get this problem taken care of.

Once you have done the above the next thing you need to do is contact the state Department of Consumer Affairs and file a complaint with their fraud division. You also have a county Department of Consumer Affairs, but wait untill after you have spoken with the State office before contacting them. Both state and county Consumer Affairs will need the same the same information as the licensing board.

There are a few other things that might need to be done, but I would wait until you see how things go at the state offices before taking any additional steps. As for taking the offenders to court, if that becomes necessary they are certain proceedures you need to know about before you proceeed. They are not difficult but most plaintifs don't take advantage of what is available to them.

If you have other questions, or if I can be of help in any way, please feel free to email me at any time. I know this all sounds like a big pain in the backside, but so is loosing $5000.

Your friend in Christ,
Doc
 
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Sentipente,

a person's theology does not change the fact that there are REALLY bad people out there that look for opportunities to take advantage of others.
And how do we get rid of the really bad people in the world?
 
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It isn't through theology, Senti. Surely you must know that. The dry bones of others' conversations with God cannot replace your own Knowledge and Conversation. The dead letter cannot contain the Spirit. And the Spirit is Love. Love is the only power in which there is hope to triumph. Unconditional, unselfish love.
 
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And how do we get rid of the really bad people in the world?

You don't. Only God can do this.

However, we need to do our part in reporting criminals for the crimes that they commit, and allow the proper authorities to deal with them accordingly.

To ignore a criminal act is to support a criminal.
 
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You don't. Only God can do this.

However, we need to do our part in reporting criminals for the crimes that they commit, and allow the proper authorities to deal with them accordingly.

To ignore a criminal act is to support a criminal.
Did I ever suggest that you should not report a criminal act?
 
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