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How Long Will It Take For Progressives To Understand The Senate Situation?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hans Blaster" data-source="post: 76013757" data-attributes="member: 396028"><p>At least I can agree with your first 3 characters.</p><p></p><p>How is it that they had 5 years to pass bills? Only in the last 5 months has there been a president that would sign a Democrat-leaning bill. Only in the last 27 months has there been a House that would pass "message" bills (and for the 116th Congress, Mitch just ignored them). It's not clear that there are the votes for even watered down versions of the Dem bills in the Senate.</p><p></p><p>The VRA fix *must* be a stand-alone bill with a clear record of the intent of Congress (majority is sufficient to determine that) that is airtight against judicial assault or the first time the DOJ uses it to block a state voting change a district court will grant an injunction to the state and a circuit court will sustain it. Even then, the bill will need to be strong enough that there are no cracks through which CJ Roberts can again strike it down by forcing him to agree to the legal argument it makes (or getting 2 of 3 Trump Justices to accept it in opposition to CR Roberts.)</p><p></p><p>To pass it through the Senate either 10 Republicans to agree (a prospect that seems slim given Mitch's opposition to the fix of a bill he enthusiastically supported years ago), or convince *all* 50 Dem Senators to grant an exception to the 60-vote cloture rule for voting and/or civil rights bills like was done for federal judges (Dems, 2013), executive branch officials (GOP, 2017), and Supreme Court Justices (GOP, 2017). Doing the latter may take a number of failures of the former on other legislation to convince all Dem Senators to narrow the fillibuster rule. </p><p></p><p></p><p>[While the elections bill (HR 1/ S 1) has some things in it that I don't care for, it has already passed the house with the votes of nearly every Democrat, and in the Senate 49 of 50 Dems are co-sponsors. The only non-sponsor, is Sen. Manchin who recently announced his opposition. This is not just some "progressive fantasy" bill.]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hans Blaster, post: 76013757, member: 396028"] At least I can agree with your first 3 characters. How is it that they had 5 years to pass bills? Only in the last 5 months has there been a president that would sign a Democrat-leaning bill. Only in the last 27 months has there been a House that would pass "message" bills (and for the 116th Congress, Mitch just ignored them). It's not clear that there are the votes for even watered down versions of the Dem bills in the Senate. The VRA fix *must* be a stand-alone bill with a clear record of the intent of Congress (majority is sufficient to determine that) that is airtight against judicial assault or the first time the DOJ uses it to block a state voting change a district court will grant an injunction to the state and a circuit court will sustain it. Even then, the bill will need to be strong enough that there are no cracks through which CJ Roberts can again strike it down by forcing him to agree to the legal argument it makes (or getting 2 of 3 Trump Justices to accept it in opposition to CR Roberts.) To pass it through the Senate either 10 Republicans to agree (a prospect that seems slim given Mitch's opposition to the fix of a bill he enthusiastically supported years ago), or convince *all* 50 Dem Senators to grant an exception to the 60-vote cloture rule for voting and/or civil rights bills like was done for federal judges (Dems, 2013), executive branch officials (GOP, 2017), and Supreme Court Justices (GOP, 2017). Doing the latter may take a number of failures of the former on other legislation to convince all Dem Senators to narrow the fillibuster rule. [While the elections bill (HR 1/ S 1) has some things in it that I don't care for, it has already passed the house with the votes of nearly every Democrat, and in the Senate 49 of 50 Dems are co-sponsors. The only non-sponsor, is Sen. Manchin who recently announced his opposition. This is not just some "progressive fantasy" bill.] [/QUOTE]
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