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About 4.45 billion years if IIRC. What I don't understand (hence the scratch head smiley) is what problem you think I have with carbon dating. I suspect you may have misunderstood my post. I was trying to correct Creationist misunderstandings of carbon dating. On the other hand if you have spotted some misunderstanding I have about C14 do let me know. I am not an expert on the subject by any means.
Religion is not the Bible. You seem not able to discern the difference.
Funny how you confuse Christianity with religion.
Remember:
Pharissees = RELIGIONWhat did the religious Pharisees do? They wanted the Lord of life murdered. Their kind are what you are refering to as the "church." That same "church" also murdered Bible believing Christians. They once sent out a hit squad to murder Luther after Luther discovered that the Bible tells man of the true way to salvation from the Bible.
Jesus = CHRISTIANITY
Religion - bad. .... Christianity - good.You have confused the two as being one and the same.
Older than 4.45 billion years? Are you actually reading what I post? ...OK,About 4.45 billion years if IIRC. What I don't understand (hence the scratch head smiley) is what problem you think I have with carbon dating. I suspect you may have misunderstood my post. I was trying to correct Creationist misunderstandings of carbon dating. On the other hand if you have spotted some misunderstanding I have about C14 do let me know. I am not an expert on the subject by any means.
What about deposition rates and Plate movement? They point to an older Earth.
Older than 4.45 billion years? Are you actually reading what I post? ...
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
It think you are getting confused here, why would God have to state that Israel would be spared a destruction happened before Genesis 1:2?
Religion is not the Bible. You seem not able to discern the difference.
Funny how you confuse Christianity with religion.
Remember:
Pharissees = RELIGION
Jesus = CHRISTIANITY
Religion - bad. .... Christianity - good.You have confused the two as being one and the same.
That was hypocritical projection. Its you who take pleasure in wallowing in ignorance.
You are the one who walllows. You have been shown time after time.
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You know what I meant; twisting words is just childish and juvenile.
Just because you have something to say. Does not mean you have something to say.
You are like a jealous blind man who swears beautiful colors do not exist because those who can see them are not able to prove it to him.
compexity is not a sign that people are willing to buy the whole ID load of tripe.
How do you define independently? What do you mean by "they all developed independently" form each other. Because your organs all develope inter-dependently among each other. Take that university college course in anthropology I was talking about, and you'll understand.
The only weakness this argument of yours has is its coming from someone who doesn't have an associates, BA, or MD, or PhD in any field related to biology.
This is the achilles heal of your argument. you have no idea what you are talking about. Stop spreading nonsense.
Take it easy buddy. Don't get too stressed thinking about it.
That's your only defense? You can not defend the indefensible. Your only defense is getting offensively defensive and trying to change the subject.
Anthropology? You sure you got the right course?
You keep missing the point. I am not taking about each creature developing independently in the sense you speak of. I am speaking of all those complex AND AMAZING organs that all work together? To form 9by means of evolution) into a biological unit that develops as a creature independently from the other creatures that contain all the same organ functions.... too deep for you to grasp, I see.
You mean to say that an elephant's liver happened on its own? While a chicken's liver developed (evolved) into being independently from an ancestor not also linked to the elephant?
Then why are you being a hypocrite for coming here to make your claims if only those on that level could receive it!
No, sir. You have no answer and are hiding behind the wizard's curtain of imposing upon us here that we all have no capacity to understand the data that you welcome like a fat lady does a box of chocolates.
If your premise about being so educated were true? You are hypocritical for coming to a forum where you know the people have no capacity to receive your argument on that level.
What a load of rubbish... "You can not understand what is needed to know you are wrong, so just accept the fact when I tell you that you are wrong."
What the heck are you? You just told us we have no ability nor capacity to know that what you believe is right. Yet, you act like we are idiots for not believing you.
Will you send the KGB to silence me if I keep speaking out and exposing the fallacy of your pseudo scientific dogma?
That's your wish.. "I upset you, therefore I am."
You have no idea how easy it is to see through your illogical, pseudo intellectual, smoke screen. I am not stressed out as you desire. If I am frustrated at all? Its because you can offer no logical rebuttal that I might learn something new from, and offers nothing as far as an answer. You end up only able to pontificate from the holy grail of alleged scientific fact.
You continue to have nothing to offer as an answer.
Most animals have eyes.
Most animals have lungs.
Most animals have blood.
Most animals have hearts.
Most animals have bowels.
Most animals have hearts.
Most animals have a nervous system.
Most animals have brains.
Most animals have bones.
Most animals have ears.
Most animals have skin.
Most animals share common design, but are simply rearranged in shape and colors that make one animal type unique from another.
Now if almost all animals share all these complex organs and physical attributes?
How could eyes happen by chance in thousands of different animals? Lungs? Hearts? Teeth? Noses? Ears? Stomachs? Intestines? Livers? All happen by chance independently from one another?
Looking at the ultra complexity that so many animals share in common? How can one believe that each type of animal started out as an independent entity onto itself millions of years ago? If one believes evolution is the means by which we got from the Triassic period to here? It would have to mean we all share one common ancestor. Or do you believe all these same attributes developed in different animals independently from one another by chance?
If not? Then most animals would have all begun by chance, and by chance all develop eyes, ears, hearts, lungs, and everything we share commonly by design! Kidneys? Spleens? Livers? Blood vessels? Blood? All happened by chance? Sexual organs?
We all had to come from a common ancestor. Not possible.
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Ok son, whatever helps you sleep at night and keeps the demons away...
Except it doesn't. There is no reference to destruction, no reference to a previous life and civilisation, to previous men, birds, towns and agriculture, no reference to the previous creation's sin, no reference to God's judgement on the previous creation, or that its state of being formless and void was the result of any judgement. All that come from reading passages like Jeremiah 4 which are about God using the Babylonians to judge the land of Judah, pulling them out of their context and reading them back into Gen 1:2. But there is nothing in Genesis about it.27 This is what the LORD says:
"The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."
God drew distinctions. First, God reminded Israel of his power to utterly destroy.
Do not mess with God's patience. To do so? Genesis 1:2!
Genesis 1:2 speaks of a COMPLETE and utter destruction of all life.
Certainly God uses the formless and void of Genesis 1:2 to describe the results of the Babylonian devastation, which is plenty of reason to reassure the Israelites that this destruction would not be total.That is why Jeremiah warned with it, and had to add that Israel would not be completely destroyed, as Genesis 1:2 describes.
Again absolutely no reference on Gen 1:2 to any kind of sin, condemnation or judgement.It was sending a message to Satan who after hearing about Genesis 1:2, thought maybe God was about to wipe out Israel, en toto. For Israel in Jeremiah's day was behaving like nations that God in the past had commanded be entirely wiped from the face of the earth. Men.. women... children... even their animals.
Genesis 1:2 in the Hebrew spoke to the Jews (and Satan) of a judgment from God that involved utter and total destruction of all life. That is why Jeremiah had to add that Israel will not face the exact same extent of the wrath of God.
True.Israel was destroyed soon after by Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed off. Yet, Israel was not 'completely' destroyed. A select group of Jews were taken into captivity to Babylon. That is where we get the book of Daniel from. From the Babylon captivity. Many years later the Jews were allowed to return to their land. It was not completely ruined for the sake of the few who remained faithful to God's Word.
Except it doesn't. There is no reference to destruction, no reference to a previous life and civilisation, to previous men, birds, towns and agriculture, no reference to the previous creation's sin, no reference to God's judgement on the previous creation, or that its state of being formless and void was the result of any judgement.
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