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How is Temptation Conceived?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by mlepfitjw, Jan 14, 2021.

  1. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    Hello you and welcome, are you curious to know how temptation is conceived?

    There are people who believe that it the devil is the one who causes temptation a persons life, but is that really true?

    Will you come with me and take a look at the word of God and see what information we can find about temptation?

    A final conclusion has been added to the very end of this post.

    Lets look at the book of James the first 17 verses:

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    James 1:1-17
    1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

    2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

    3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


    We first introduced to who the letter is written to, which is James who is a servant of God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and also to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greetings.

    The second verse and third verse goes on to say to James, and the twelve tribes scattered abroad, that they should count it all joy, when they fall in to divers temptations, because temptation is going to work patience in their life, every time they are overcoming when their faith is tried.

    Question: Have you had your faith tested in your own life, and were able to by faith in God overcome those temptations in which patience was produced from with-in by the spirit that is in you because of your faith?

    Question: Are you able to rejoice in those times because of overcoming now, no matter how many times it has happened?
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    4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

    5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
    Verse four goes on to say that we should let patience have her (holy spirit) perfect work, that you may be (mature in your faith) perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

    Verse five and six, goes on to say, if any of you lack wisdom, ask God who gives to all men liberally, and will not disapprove of your asking; it will be given to you. If you are asking in faith, and not swaying between being distrusting because if you are not trusting God will will not be able to over come the temptations that are plaguing you in your heart.

    Question: Have you ever had a temptation that has plagued you in your heart, and has made your life even more broken than it needs to be?

    Temptations can be anything from sexual immorality, to selfishness, to uncaring, jealously, wrath, malice, envy, lust... and things alike these.

    Question: Have you ever asked God for wisdom on how to handle it? Have you ever asked God to help you in your need when these things have caused you grief, heartache, and suffering?

    Question: Have you asked God in faith, in trusting him fully?​

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    7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

    8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

    Statement: Those who asked and doubted never were able to have patience during the temptation that had come along which they had be enticed by and dragged away towards.
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    9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:

    10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

    11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

    Verse nine through eleven explain about those who are low, who are able to find joy, and the rich man who is made humble because both will pass away in life.

    (Im getting tired)
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    12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

    13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

    14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

    Verse twelve, blessed in the man that endures temptation, for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them who love him.

    Verse thirteen, Let no man say when he is tempted, that they are tempted of God; For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt any man.

    Insight verse twelve and thirteen : When a person has the holy spirit, which is from God. The holy spirit in that person is never tempted to do wrong to another person, nor to be selfish, nor to fall into temptation that can ruin the believers life because the holy spirit is from God, and God is never tempted.

    Verse fourteen: Every man is tempted, when he is drawn away from his own lust, and enticed.

    Question: Have you ever been enticed by your own lust and dragged away by your own desires rather than what God is desiring for you, which a life of abundance by the holy spirit that lives inside of you ?

    Question: Does verse fourteen say Satan is the one causing the temptation? Or does it say a man by his own lust when enticed, is dragged away?​

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    15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

    16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
    Verse fifteen, when lust has been conceived in a persons heart by their own desires it brings forth sin, and sin can bring forth death.

    Verse sixteen, do not error, or be deceived brethren.

    Question: Has this helped you see how temptation is conceived?
    Question: What can we do to be helped with temptations when they are conceived?
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    17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
    Verse seventeen, we see that every good gift, and perfect gift is from above; the holy spirit is most certainly a gift, the Lord Jesus Christ giving his life was a gift and raising him from the death is a gift, renewing us by the spirit is a gift, prayer is a gift, Gods mercy and love is a gift, and they come from the Father of Lights in Heaven. Who doesn't try to lie to you, not turn from you.

    Question: Are there anymore gifts that come from God that are good and perfect?
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    A final conclusion on the book of James Chapter one verses one through seventeen.

    We see that James, and the people of the twelve tribes, were called to stay in faith with God and not to be tempted by their own ways of life, that could lead to a life of death.

    We in modern society have temptations that might not lead to death but however, we have temptations that can cause complications in our lives, were we can receive help with we go to God, asking him for wisdom how we should handle things that come and go in through life and not doubt through our faith.

    God desires us to have joy and peace in this life, even though we are going to go through trial and tribulations, we are to keep our heart toward God to be thankful, and to love others.

    We ourselves are the one who are enticed; we have to reflect and see where our heart resides and know who we are in Christ Jesus, and trust in God.
     
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  2. Bible Highlighter

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    Very well said. The only thing I might add is that Satan does tempt men to do sinful things and it can be included in times of temptation. But we are ultimately drawn away and enticed by our own lusts and desires. Hence, why it is so important to deny ourselves and to pick up our cross of suffering and to follow Jesus. The more we deny ourselves and follow Him and do what He desires, the more we will have the strength of the Spirit to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Galatians 5:16 says for us to walk after the Spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. We are also told in Romans 13:14 to put on the Lord Jesus Christ (like a piece of clothing or cloak) and thus not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. So I see it as two fold in overcoming temptations. There is also quoting Scripture when we are tempted, as well. God's Word defeated Satan when our Lord was tempted (tempted externally) in the wilderness. For example: When a believer is tempted by sexual sin, one of things they could say (that can help them) is: It is written... then quote out loud Matthew 5:28-30.
     
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  3. Tone

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    Temptation is a blind spot.


    If you can see the land...you recognize it. Then you can believe that it is a promise for you. Now, there is nothing left to do except to take it.

    Matthew 6
    "22 The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!"

    It is my prayer that we have good eyes to recognize, believe, and take what is ours. Amen.


    *LLLEEETT'SSS GOOOOOOOOOOO!
     
  4. Tone

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    When we take the land, it is our crown and now we reign as kings!
     
  5. DiscipleHeLovesToo

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    (Mat 3:16) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
    (Mat 3:17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
    (Mat 4:1) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

    here we see Jesus, the Spotless, Sinless Lamb of God, in whom the Father was well pleased, immediately after the Holy Spirit has descended on Him, being led by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

    (1Jn 2:16) For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    (2Co 4:3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    (2Co 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    does not the devil use these three ways (the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life) to tempt us, just as he tempted Jesus? yes, man is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed; but could this have been true with Jesus? and yet the scriptures clearly say that He was to be tempted of the devil...

    (Gen 3:1) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
    (Gen 3:2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    (Gen 3:3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
    (Gen 3:4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
    (Gen 3:5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    Eve lived in a perfect world without want - she knew only good - yet the serpent (the devil) tempted her by suggesting that God had withheld the knowledge of evil from her; it was that lie of the devil that tempted her, as she did not yet have knowledge of lust for evil

    (Heb 4:15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    Jesus was tempted of the devil, yet not through His own lust, as He was yet without sin; can there be temptation without the devil's initiative? is he not the instigator of all temptation?
     
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  6. mlepfitjw

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    @Bible Highlighter , thank you so much for reading. The reason that we can not put blame on the devil for our own actions is because we are responsible for our own actions 100% of the time always and forever. You say that you believe the devil tempts, when scripture clearly states it comes from our own desires. If you believe the devil does this work it is fine.

    @Tone, you say we take what is ours. But we receive from God the crown of life that is given, no need in taking. Thank you for reading, and your response.

    @DiscipleHeLovesToo , you share scriptures that show the devil tempted Jesus. That is true, he wanted to be worshiped by Jesus. That was in age long ago. You know what happened to Jesus, after being tempted and living the rest of his life, sinless he died on cross, then was risen again. For me in my belief, if you are a believer 'we can not say oh the devil is tempting me either' we have to accept our own actions and what we do in life 100% as our choice and responsibility for whatever it was.

    Now to address you Bible, and Disciple. My question is, was the devil ever defeated by the Lord Jesus Christ, and had his head crushed at the death of the cross paying for sin for all mankind, conquering death, hades, and the devil himself?

    That is a question you yourself will have to dig deep to find, though may this be of help to you.

    Romans 16:20 : The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. May the grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

    God bless each of you, thank you for your time reading, and may the God our Father be with you and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ reign in your heart.
     
  7. DiscipleHeLovesToo

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    Eve's temptation was to put more belief in the devil's claim that God had held something back from her and Adam, instead of recognizing God's protection in shielding them from the knowledge of evil. the devil hasn't changed; this is still the way he operates. her fault was 'unbelief', which was entirely under her control, since she had free will; this is what entices us to 'miss the mark' today - the devil's claim (which is always a lie). Jesus gave us authority over the devil, but when we fail to recognize him as the tempter, we fail to exercise that authority.

    (Rom 16:17) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
    (Rom 16:18) For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
    (Rom 16:19) For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
    (Rom 16:20) And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

    God has not yet bruised Satan; as in Paul's day, this will happen shortly - when the 'day of the Lord' comes; when Jesus returns to take his place as King of kings and Lord of Lords, and the devil is cast into the pit so that he can no longer tempt people until the end of the Lord's day. until then, satan is still as much as factor to us as he was to Eve.

    (Heb 4:15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    we are tempted as Jesus was...

    i agree that it's our fault when we respond to the devil's temptation, but it is the devil who tempts us.

    (2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    as reborn believers, our natural state is to obey God - we need help to sin, and the devil is ever ready to help us sin by tempting us as he tempted Jesus - this is why the devil is the only entity that God has already judged and sentenced to eternal death.

    (Rom 8:1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    (Rom 8:2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
    (Rom 8:3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
    (Rom 8:4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    (Rom 8:5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
    (Rom 8:6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
    (Rom 8:7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
    (Rom 8:8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    (Rom 8:9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    consider that the devil would like nothing better than for Christians to ignore his influence and take the blame for his wickedness on themselves...
     
  8. mlepfitjw

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    thank you for sharing as well Brother!

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  10. Tone

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    1 Timothy 6
    "…18Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, and to be generous and ready to share, 19treasuring up for themselves a firm foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life."


    Hebrews 6
    "11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12Then you will not be sluggish, but will imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised."


    1 Corinthians 9
    " Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to take the prize. 25Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable."


    Of course, we take the land (the promises) with the gift of faith. We can't boast in ourselves as He is the Giver of all good things, which is why the wise ones could only lay their crowns at His Feet.


    Yah bless and shalom.
     
  11. mlepfitjw

    mlepfitjw May you be blessed!

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    Okay, thank you for your response and for you sharing some scripture with us!
     
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