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This topic certainly polarizes people. For, against, and undecided! I am a little puzzled where you find gentle words in plucking out your eye or cutting off your hand or other appendage.
Sadly many of the discussions on this topic generate more heat than light. However, I would hope we don't start seeing people missing hands, or other parts as they struggle with MB. The struggle is more in the mind than physical. Wrestling with ones thoughts is a life long issue and not likely to be corrected or eliminated by removing parts of one's body.
You've completely missed the point. Congratulations; really. I'm starting to feel like discussing things on this forum is the equivalent of communicating with a wall. I try speaking but my words are met with a hard callus layer of intentional misunderstanding.
Good luck; really.
If your purposely seeking the wrong in my words then you will find it. But if you try to the see the point I'm making then we can be reasonable together.
and just encase you can't read; this is the teenage forum.
*annoyed*
I honestly don't understand why you're so uptight with this guy.
I could be uptight with Christians for not understanding the majority of what I'm trying to say, but I'm not. I feel that he made some good points in his post, and did not deserve such a sudden bashing
(way to show that "Christian love" that I'm always seeing in the Christian church... -_-)
That's beside the point, though. He's an elder, obviously, and has far more experience on the topic than we do- so we might as well try to listen to what he's saying.
You claim that discussions on this forum are like speaking to a wall; and I agree.
However, aren't you forming that wall by simply refuting what this man is saying and speaking to him in such a condescending tone?
He is simply adding his input on a rather murky topic that is not entirely addressed in the Scriptures as this sin probably did not exist at the time (due to the young ages of marriage.). I think he has a good point. Masturbation, and the fight against it, is entirely mental.
Sure, our hand is how we sin, but our hands are practically the eyelids to our soul. They show us what we think and believe based on our actions. If we touch, it's because we have lusted in our mind, and that is a sin.
Also, he may not have been referring to your previous posts- nor would I consider it a "hard callus of intentional misunderstanding".
They guy may have just been going through the forum and stumbled upon this post; thus wishing to share his opinion on the topic.
Sorry, I just find your response to this generally uncalled for;
though I usually do agree with you everywhere else.
Second, to StickwithJesus, I am almost lost for words.
However, there are a few that come to mind and the first is that you need to gain control of your anger!
Life is about learning to live with people, contrasting opinions, standing for what you believe, but speaking out in anger will undermine most of what you say you stand for or believe in!
Have a good day.
Welcome!! How are you?allihyperkid said:I hope I am not out of place here, I'm dropping in to mention a few things.
Yes. . . this is trueallihyperkid said:We all have struggles and temptations in different and sometimes similar situations.
this is true as wellallihyperkid said:When it comes to sexual desire, God put it in man so we would "be fruitful and multiply" It's only by His grace that intercourse can be a pleasurable act.
??? what?allihyperkid said:One thing that I keep in mind is abstinence. With God's strength anyone can turn from temptation.
Unhealthy addiction?? The same could be said with drinking and eating. If you overeat soon you could turn into Fat Albert. Should we stop eating altogether? Also if you get drunk a lot you could turn into Charles Manson (loolz, I kid, I kid). Does that mean to reinstate Prohibition? Just because something good can be potentially bad is a lame reason to just chuck it out the window. I bet if you found a computer virus on your laptop you'd throw the whole thing out, wouldn't you?allihyperkid said:It is much better and more admirable to work hard at being abstinent from "self satisfying" actions which can become an unhealthy addiction - than to toss it aside and give in. I think if it's something that the Lord would want from us, we should take the challenge and work at it and through it with the Lord's help.
Yes, sexual desire is part of human nature (at least after puberty)allihyperkid said:I struggle with this, and God is working in me with my temptations. It is human nature to have a sexual desire, but it was made for more important things than just self satisfaction.
because sex before marriage is not a sin. Nowhere in the Bible is sex before marriage specifically and explicitly mentioned. It may have been 'hinted' at to some degree, but that ain't good enough. One could use the word 'fornication' but if you look up the actual root word and greek/latin origins of it then you'd find that the actual definition is much different than the modern and oddly unanimous 'Christian' meaning that we hear frequently today. Also, why is it that when God really thought something to be important and wanted us to know it he tells us directly (10 commandments, thou shall not murder, thou shall not have any other God before me, etc) but then suddenly when it comes to sex and masturbation he is strangely less abrupt and upfront about it? Easy, because humans screwed it up. Humans screw everything up. . . . plain & simpleallihyperkid said:I believe if God made it for reproduction, it should be kept that way. Why else would sex before marriage be a sin? Because most times premarital sex is used for pleasure and not reproduction. It's used in the same way as masturbation is, minus the partner.
yes, but masturbation doesn't even fall in the same boatallihyperkid said:Sex is meant to be kept between a man and a woman for child bearing. It is an intimacy which bonds a man and a woman together.
No, wrong. . . if any image and idea that causes sexual stimulation was lust then I and the rest of the normal functioning humans on the earth may as well just have a ritual castration ordained while Slayer & Goatwhore are playing in the background. Read a dictionary, or go online and actually look up the definition of lust. No, actually I'll do it for you.allihyperkid said:In most cases of masturbation it does require/ include lusting after anything. An image, an idea or simply desiring sexual stimulation.
No, of course not. I'm glad that you were able to express your thoughts without shame. That's what all people should do. Debate is actually quite healthy because the exchange of ideas causes new ones to pop up and old ones to evolve into better ones.allihyperkid said:I hope I'm not overstepping any boundaries with what I'm saying.
First of all, Christ was human, but he was also God at the same time. Of course he wouldn't fall to any mere human temptations, it'd be foolery to think so. That assessment is crap. . . . but you're right about one thing, that still is not an excuse not to try anyways.allihyperkid said:I just want to point out that from what we know, Jesus did not give in to any desires when he was a human on earth. Our goal is to be like He was. Keep that in mind, though it does not address it specifically in the word, I think it's a sexual perversion- which is mentioned in the Word.
lol what challenge??allihyperkid said:Take the challenge for Christ to turn from temptation. I pray you do, as I need prayer for the same thing.
God bless you.
Welcome!! How are you?
*in a Bear Grylls voice*
I can seeeeee; that he is excited to have a female... on the foruums.
-Lol-
Wait? We're still on masturbation debates? What are we, bloody teenagers?
Oh, wait. Oh...
Derailment successful. *high fives*
Hahahaha brilliant.
I watched this show when I was young. . . man life was good back then
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