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Our Lord Jesus said that all that are in the grave will hear the voice of the Son of God.How then can Seventh-day Adventism even have a resurrection?
Gilbert Jorgensen
Why are you mistaking me for a religious community? I am not a religious community. I am a Divine child participating in the Adventist community.Seeing how your graphic identifies you as "SDA", I can certainly understand your confusion.
How do you experience that?It's entirely different than the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that we as Christians experience.
What Adventism teaches is not anhilation like you refer to, but partial anhilation!
Perhaps we could ask Avonia (since I presume she is a woman) how one gets "partially pregnant". I've never heard of such a thing, and likewise Adventism concept of partial anhilation.
Gilbert Jorgensen
Seeing how your graphic identifies you as "SDA", I can certainly understand your confusion.
When I use to attend Seventh-day Adventist Sabbath morning services the Pastor would frequently pray that God would "send" the Holy Spirit -- kind of like calling "911" and asking that the police make a visit.
Adventism has a very strange external relationship with what they refer to as the "Holy Spirit". It's entirely different than the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit that we as Christians experience. As New Covenant Christians we no longer have to call God's "911" number and request that the Holy Spirit give us a "house call".
You can discover more about how this works by reading about it in the New Testament. Romans and Hebrews are the "owner's manuals" for your particular model of body that you will be most able to relate to.
Gilbert Jorgensen
What is the error that you find in OSAS?It sounds like you may also have fallen into the error of OSAS. Again - we need to talk.
What is the error that you find in OSAS?
A Christian was talking with an Atheist one day. The Atheist was making fun of the Bible the Christian had. The Christian asked the Atheist, "Don't you believe that we go somewhere when we die?" The Atheist replied, "No. We just cease to exist. We just go out like a light bulb and cease to exist."
According to Seventh-day Adventist doctrine, when a person dies, they just cease to exist. They just go out like a light bulb, and cease to exist. Their breath leaves them and that's it. Poof! They're gone. Nothing but dust. No soul. No spirit. Nothing but dust.
Of course that creates a real problem trying to make it to a resurrection, and so more creative theological surgery is required.
In the book, "Seventh-day Adventists Believe", page 352, it says"Death Is a Sleep. Death is not complete annihilation; it is only a state of temporary unconsciousness while the person awaits the resurrection."That statement doesn't even make any sense. What is "incomplete annihilation"?
To say, "the person awaits the resurrection" is equally disingenuous. What "person"? What, actually is awaiting the resurrection?
Awaiting implies anticipation. Anticipation is a function of consciousness requiring a conscious existence. Both are impossible during death according to SDA doctrine. No one and no thing dead "awaits" the resurrection.
According to SDA doctrine, how does a dead person exist? And if they don't exist, then the resurrection can have nothing to do with any person who has lived and died, but is the creation of another being altogether.
Furthermore there can be no such thing as "eternal life" for all persons who die. No other persons created in the image of the formerly living, even the exact same image, can bring them back.
Ellen White, in Great Controversy, page 588, also states that "immortality of the soul" is one of the "two great errors ... Satan will bring the people under his deceptions."
How then can Seventh-day Adventism even have a resurrection?
Gilbert Jorgensen
Do not confuse the Calvinist example with the reality. Second, how can any view of OSAS deny the assurance of salvation?Well for starters -
in the 4Pt Calvinist example of it -- it denies the Rom 2:7 doctrine on the perseverance of the saints.
in the 5pt Calvinist example of it - it denies assurance of salvation.
In both cases - it denies the Matt 18 teaching on "forgiveness revoked"
in Christ,
Bob
Do not confuse the Calvinist example with the reality. Second, how can any view of OSAS deny the assurance of salvation?
Godtalk does not add to the discussion.Let us enter into his rest and speak the words he gives us.
Everyone must give the answer of the tongue from the Lord.
We can say nothing against the truth, but for it.
He turns our unrighteousness to his glory.
Let us speak as the oracles of God.
Joe
It seems you have some kind of axe to grind against Adventists which is generally the domain of ex-Adventists or someone who may have had a bad experience with certain people who call themselves Adventists.
Two questions:(1) Are former SDAs the only SDAs who have had a bad experience with certain people who call themselves Adventists?
(2) Do former SDAs leave the denomination solely because they have had a bad experience with certain people who call themselves Adventists?
Ever heard of the phrase "Gid isn't finished with me yet"?(1) Are former SDAs the only SDAs who have had a bad experience with certain people who call themselves Adventists?
Or, because they misunderstood basic Christianity and SDA beliefs.(2) Do former SDAs leave the denomination solely because they have had a bad experience with certain people who call themselves Adventists?
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