How ironclad is the "life begins at conception" doctrine?

[chevyontheriver]

The question is: Is this true only of the Psalmist, or of EVERY conceived "zygote" (as you say) ?
God knew that this would be a viable life. That isn't true of every zygote.

Every one. Even those who miscarry. They aren't some 'almost human' but someone who mattered and matters to God.

 

[Saint Steven]

Every one. Even those who miscarry. They aren't some 'almost human' but someone who mattered and matters to God.

Do you share my belief that a human soul is created at conception? And should that soul (child) fail to emerge and live a viable life, that God takes them home to be with him?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Do you share my belief that a human soul is created at conception? And should that soul (child) fail to emerge and live a viable life, that God takes them home to be with him?

Absolutely.

 

[We're At The Ark]

God does know us before we're formed in the womb, a little wrinkle on conception and when life begins that most choose to dance around. If one pays attention to scripture I don't know where you could go with that except to say we are placed into these meat suits that we later exit.

Now, why would anybody want to arbitrarily decide that in their human wisdom they know just exactly when it goes from just taking a piece of tissue from the womb to being the murder of an innocent child of God?

 

[disciple Clint]

On another topic someone brought up the wrath of God and the OT text about God ordering the enemies infants be dashed against the rocks. (Isaiah 13:15-16) If a person believes God did that, what does it say about God's thoughts concerning human rights of infants, and the unborn, I suppose?

It says that much of the O.T. is not to be taken literally

 

[chevyontheriver]

It says that much of the O.T. is not to be taken literally

Or at least not to be taken as guides for our behavior.

 

[DamianWarS]

HELP !!!!!!!!

Recent events, in the USA, have pushed the abortion rights issue back into the arena of politics. Individual states must decide on the issue after the Supreme Court overruling of Roe vs. Wade. Correct me if I did state that properly, thanks.

My purpose is not to start a topic about politics, but doctrine. Controversial Christian doctrine. ("Prolife" doctrine)

I had a long discussion with an agnostic friend about the subject of abortion, and more specifically, when life begins. His perspective was very interesting, to say the least.

He grew up on a ranch. He has lots of experience with the birthing and weening of calves, and very successful experience with artificial insemination of cattle. If you want to know anything about bovine reproduction, he's a great source. Anyway...

I was a bit shocked when he informed me that they consider a calf fetus to be a parasite until it can be independent enough to live on its own. By "live" they mean able to walk and eat on its own. Otherwise, it's not a "viable" life.

He didn't seem to deny that "viable" life was at the end of a process of the beginning of that life, but without ongoing viability, was it really a life? His point was that viable life does not begin at conception.

I was somewhat familiar with the Prolife doctrine apologetics, having followed the church crowd with the "Life begins at conception" mantra. Was even voting that way. Basically one-issue voting. (guilty as charged)

I suppose I was a victim to a one-sided discussion on the subject. We had never taken much time to hear the other side out, or in the rare cases that we did, we fell back on the Prolife doctrinal position. We even made bumper-stickers (labels) that read: "God is Prolife".

I haven't declared myself to be ProChoice, but have pulled back into a neutral position on the issue. I can see both sides now. What to do, what to do... ???

How ironclad is the "life begins at conception" doctrine?

The bible says life is in the blood (Lev 17:14). That would be about at day 20 after conception.