How I see Genesis 1&2

[AV1611VET]

That's what necromancy is all about.

It is, huh?

[bible]Deuteronomy 18:10-11[/bible]

 

[SNPete]

That's what necromancy is all about.

Dang it dude. Get a dictionary. Necomancy is not raising the dead.

Webster says:

Main Entry: nec·ro·man·cy
Pronunciation: 'ne-kr&-"man(t)-sE
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of Middle English nigromancie, from Anglo-French, from Medieval Latin nigromantia, by folk etymology from Late Latin necromantia, from Late Greek nekromanteia, from Greek nekr- + -manteia -mancy
1 : conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events

 

[karzma]

Magic!

 

[Mumbo]

That's why I asked a question and wanted an answer. Without that answer I can't show you my point. Will you, please, answer me why (almost all) things fall on Earth when they're dropped?

My previous answer applies to this question as well. Since the question relates to one of the universe's fundamental constants, it can't be broken down much further. It relates to the conditions created at the time of the Big Bang, which is about as far back as science can go. If you believe that God is necessary to create a thing such as gravity, that's your business, but similar to how I think it's possible for life to create itself, gravity could have come into existance without intention.

Q1: "Do we know everything?"
Q2: "Is everything we know 100% correct?"
Is that enough?

No and no. Those questions are answerable, and their answers don't have any bearing on this. Science is capable of being wrong, but that doesn't mean that there are certain things that science will never be right about.

Yes, some questions don't have to have an answer, but that doesn't mean they don't have one. Or more...

No arguments here, just as long as all the possibilities are recognized.

 

[Upisoft]

My previous answer applies to this question as well. Since the question relates to one of the universe's fundamental constants, it can't be broken down much further. It relates to the conditions created at the time of the Big Bang, which is about as far back as science can go. If you believe that God is necessary to create a thing such as gravity, that's your business, but similar to how I think it's possible for life to create itself, gravity could have come into existance without intention.

Yes, it could, but it is not necessarily so.

No and no. Those questions are answerable, and their answers don't have any bearing on this. Science is capable of being wrong, but that doesn't mean that there are certain things that science will never be right about.

You argued that I can't show a question that the science isn't capable to answer. Your answers to my 2 questions show that such questions exist and will exist in the future. There will be always something that we don't know(Q1 - No) and there will be always something that we are not 100% correct about(Q2 - No). These are the limits of the science.

 

[USincognito]

I'm I the only one who noticed this thread is in Creationism and Evolution, not in General Apologetics? 'Cause I'm having trouble figuring out why and OP that is conducive with TE has generated so many negative responses.

Since your post seems to be in answer to someone mentioning the word "miracle", you have perhaps a problem with definitions. Magic is performed by wicked humans, such as the well-known atheist and Christian-basher "the Amazing Randi".

How dare you slander a decent human being whom I have met several times. How dare you.

 

[Morcova]

Dang it dude. Get a dictionary. Necomancy is not raising the dead.

Dang it dude. Read a book sometimes! The meaning of the word has changed.

 

[SNPete]

OP that is conducive with TE has generated so many negative responses.

It appears that certain posters have issues with God/theism and react in a negative/knee jerk manner, regardless of the topic.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I think you understand me well. Thaw was an example to show the weakness of science when it come to 'why' questions. Yes, it can answer such questions, but the answers tend to be shallow.

Science is about 'how'.

What, How and Why

The Bible is full of whats, this happened, God did that, God regretted, God was angry…

How is the domain of science; how the universe works,

Why, can really only be deduced from the How.

 

[MorkandMindy]

take something we understand for a change

child runs across road after ball

mother / father says 'you must always stop at the kerb and look, never mind the ball, always stop and look'

child says 'why'

parent says 'because you have to check if there are cars coming that might hit you and break your bones or kill you'

parent says 'why?, because I said so'

which is a real why?

 

[DrkSdBls]

Why do you think that? Isn't it so that the vast majority of Christians don't believe in magic, that paying attention to magic is considered a sin?

Of course, the vast majority of Christians (and most people in General) also has a severe misunderstanding of Magic too. The bible speaks against what Humans do with magic and the Crimes and Sins that people commit using magic, but it's referance to the nature of Magic is somewhat limited. In fact, it also relates a lot of things to Magic, which are not magic either.

Since your post seems to be in answer to someone mentioning the word "miracle", you have perhaps a problem with definitions. Magic is performed by wicked humans, such as the well-known atheist and Christian-basher "the Amazing Randi". Miracles, OTOH, are performed by God Almighty, or through His intervention.

A common understanding of Magic is Using an unperceived force to Influance natural forces to some means.

While a Miracle is understood as Bypassing the Natural Forces of the natural world entirely and performing an Action as though the Natural Laws were non-existant.

Magic = Directing and influances the Clouds to Form over a relative location and start raining.

Miracle = Water appears over head out of nothing and falls on the exact spot it was intended.

It's true, they aren't quite the same thing. But, then again, I have a personal understanding of both Magic and Miracles which is in sharp contrast to those meanings.

'Real magic' (instead of stage magic) is non-functional, and so nothing comes ever down to magic, the opposite of what you wrote.

On the contrary, "Real Magic" is by it's very nature "functional." It's also less glamorous then you see in movies or on stage.

Life is not easy; it is a struggle.

Life is what you make it. That's true Magic!

Stars don't use fuel; they are not fuelled! This is like asking "how does a plumber fix electricity leaks".

The word "Fuel" is being used metaphorically, you know.

But Stars do "burn" in a Sense. The Hydrogen and other Elements there within (I can't remember the rest) is what "Fuels" the The Nuclear Fusion that Stars undergo. It is the most efficient Power Generation known to humans and is what "fuels" Stars. It's what powers them.

So, it's an accurate Metaphor.

 

[Upisoft]

What, How and Why

The Bible is full of whats, this happened, God did that, God regretted, God was angry…

How is the domain of science; how the universe works,

Why, can really only be deduced from the How.

The Bible can be full of everything, but I don't see your point. Did I tell you anything at all about the Bible?

You're wrong. 'Why' is different question than 'how'. But you may humor me by answering following question:
How the word 'why' appeared in English language?
And then deduce the answer of:
Why the word 'why' appeared in English language?

 

[Upisoft]

take something we understand for a change

child runs across road after ball

mother / father says 'you must always stop at the kerb and look, never mind the ball, always stop and look'

child says 'why'

parent says 'because you have to check if there are cars coming that might hit you and break your bones or kill you'

parent says 'why?, because I said so'

which is a real why?

Both.

 

[Mumbo]

Yes, it could, but it is not necessarily so.

Alright.

You argued that I can't show a question that the science isn't capable to answer.

No I didn't. If I implied that, then sorry, but I'm happy to admit that there's plenty of stuff that science doesn't know.

Your answers to my 2 questions show that such questions exist and will exist in the future. There will be always something that we don't know(Q1 - No) and there will be always something that we are not 100% correct about(Q2 - No). These are the limits of the science.

Absolutely. In asking your questions, however, you ignored my point. Science may have limits, but one can't arbitrarily set restrictions on what science is capable of doing. For example, scientific theories concerning to the advent of life or the universe shouldn't be disregarded simply because such things belong in God's domain.

 

[Upisoft]

Absolutely. In asking your questions, however, you ignored my point. Science may have limits, but one can't arbitrarily set restrictions on what science is capable of doing. For example, scientific theories concerning to the advent of life or the universe shouldn't be disregarded simply because such things belong in God's domain.

I didn't do that. I just said that science is incapable to answer all questions. I had no particular question in mind, just well known truth that science is limited in unknown way.