Asking people not to promote gay sex in the Church is not even close to persecution. It is rather, pure love to oppose gay sex being promoted in the Church. The Apostles opposed gay sex (as we have come to define it).
There is no evidence this only your interpretation of scripture
I'm standing firm on my statement. From humanism to gay sex in our schools and politics in less than a century.
And I stand firm on mine
Gay, straight, arose from the promoting of homosexuality.
Gays trying to get equal rights arose form us not having them in the first place.
I created a new thread proving my position was based on facts, and I was treated incredibly unfair. The driving away of any dissenting voices of gay sex is alarming, but not unexpected. I'm a Bible-believing Christian. I knew what was coming.
Playing the "Oh noes the end times are coming" card dosent really work. I firmly believe God approves of increasing acceptance and equality for all his creations.
No fault divorce. Now it is common.
Not entirely sure what your saying here.
The STD epidemic may disagree with you on that. I can't post facts on that as it is a reason to ban people here.
That would be probably as they are slander as opposed to facts.
OK. But I demand to oppose you on Biblical grounds every time you attempt to homosexualize the Church. Tolerance (as you know) does not mean support.
It depends on whether you can challenge on Biblical grounds wihout getting personal. I mean I see plenty of people here who do manage that and also plenty who seem unable too.
Gay social power was acheived when the Church was silenced and altered in Britain. Although I do see that there are brothers and sisters in Britain that do still value scriptural truth. This issue will come and go as it has many times before.
The more society become more accepting and caring of all the less likely these things will come up.
Jesus said it is a fact that not everyone that calls themself a Christian is a follower of His. We are to watch out for wolves in sheeps clothing. They will not spare the flock. Gay culture is antithetical to the witness and testimomy of the Apostles. I can only go by truth and reality.
Clinging to some Bible verses which are easily challenged and debated to not show what they claim to its not going by truth and reality.
If they want to keep thier property. Gays have created laws to silence any oppostion to gay sex in England. check out this website in the UK:
http://www.lgcm.org.uk/
I would rather suffer persecution and gather in someones house as a Church.
I'm not aware of these laws, ive heard people condemn homosexuality in certain churches here. If they are inciting hatred against gay people thats a different matter, but saying gay-sex is a sin isnt against the law here.
Those days are coming to an end. Apostates will come into the Church before he believers have to leave.
I dont think those days have even begun yet.
There must be still, the Gospel preached in that Church. In a "normal Church" everyone is welcome, but their anti-Christian ideologies are not.
Theres nothing anti-Christian about treating a gay couple as a legitimate relationship and accepting them as a couple into the congregation.
That is 100% true. But your views on promoting gay culture in the Church has no support from the biblical witness. All you have is your feelings guiding you. Good luck with that. It never helps error to feel good about it. Whether you believe that or not.
My personal relationship with God guides me.
I questioned your walk with Christ once, and I will not do it ever again, but you are very wrong in promoting gay culture in the Church.
I still dont really understand what this "gay culture" is. What is it you assume I get up to which makes my life part of "Gay culture". I get up in the morning, I go to work, I work for 8 hours, I come home, I relax. The only difference to most relationships is the person I love and come home too is the same gender as me. Thats the soul difference.
No Church should shun anyone according to the Apostolic witness. But not supporting sin is also a very Christian thing to do.
If the church dosent see it as a sin, its a non issue.
I am not intent on driving anyone out of the Church, I am though, going to oppose the promoting of gay sex and gay culture in the Church every day I am alive. There are so many Christians that feel that they are bad people for opposing gay activism and they are not.
Im still not entirely sure what gay activism or gay culture are.
That is your right to think as you want to, but it appears, that you will not allow others to dissent of your personal opinions on gay sex in the Church.
As I say a church is more than welcome to not allow gay members etc..., but they shouldnt make a fuss if other churches do.
This the need for a gay denomination or new religion altogether.
Why? Because I find women attractive and men not?
They have written their positions in the New Testament. I just agree with them.
I agree with them too, and reach a different conclusion to you
Christians are a very tolerant lot. But you may have missed the hundreds of millions of Christians worldwide that stand with the Apostolic witness that gay sex and gay activism has no place in the Church.
And there are millions who disagree with this standpoint too.
That is an unfait statement. I prove that gay theology is really just liberal and progressive thought, and has no support from scripture. I another place on this website, I listed every place where gay theolgy claims to have texts promoting gay sex and gay partnerships, and I have shown the error of their views WITH the scriptures they presented. I did a bit of that here with the David and Jonathan as gay lovers myth.
There is no proof when it comes to interpretation. I think its blindgly obvious that David and Johnathan had an extremely close relationship and they may have been gay (although its of my opinion only David was)
And shows that not only schism is the result of gay fruit in the Church, but that a gay denomination is called for in all honesty.
What will be will be. In my opinion schism isnt needed
I firmly disagree with you. (And of course this is what gives rise to new and/or other denominations.)
Im anti-denominational
Mormonism as an example, has no place in the Church based on the scriptures they use to promote the religiosity of Joseph Smith. The same is true for what Mel White and Gene Robinson have done. All gay activists have to go on is outside biblical beliefs, liberal and progressive social ideology and mangled and twisted scripture, or just plain discarding of Biblical reality altogether. Or arguing from silence or the ubiquitous "two wrongs" comparisons for allowing gay activism into the Church.
Just like any Bible-affirming Christian Pastor, theologian, apologist, parent and friend, would not allow Latter Day Saints theology to go unchallenged, neither should we allow gay activists to homosexualize the Church without an apologia presented to them and at their agenda.
We shall see what happens
