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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

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As a US citizen, I assert that all speech should be tolerated, hate speech, as well as any other kind. However the avenues on which this speech should be carefully defined.
That is the way I feel. But, I also know how it feels to be verbally harassed for being different. It is not a good feeling. On the other hand though, I think that all speech(with very few certain expceptions) should be tolerated.
 
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Well it could be argued that those cartoons were more racist than relist. How would you feel if a cartoon was published in the NY Times depicting US minorities in a demeaning way? Although there is free speech, most contention lies with what is generally acceptable for mainstream free speech.
I'm sure there would be outrage and calls for heads to lopped. But is it really illegal? I mean, if no discrimination was involved, would the simple act of printing the cartoons be illegal? I'm not saying that I would agree with the cartoons, but I dislike the stifling of free speech more than I dislike racist remarks.
 
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I feel you might disagree if you were part the subject that was being demeaned. There is political correctness, which most mainstream organizations and politicians follow. It is important to remember that individuals and private organizations don't have to follow this, but also, individuals and private organizations don't have to be popular the way mainstream organizations, publications, and politicians need to be. Anyway, I'm out, it's late, and I'm going to bed.

Cheers!

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feel you might disagree if you were part the subject that was being demeaned. There is political correctness, which most mainstream organizations and politicians follow. It is important to remember that individuals and private organizations don't have to follow this, but also, individuals and private organizations don't have to be popular the way mainstream organizations, publications, and politicians need to be. Anyway, I'm out, it's late, and I'm going to bed.
G'night and thanks for the conversation.
 
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Vedant said:
Yes, free speech is a privilege that we take for granted.

I don't think Freedom of speech is a privilege. To me, it is a human right. All American Freedoms are rights that we each have. It is fair that America recognizes the Freedome of Speech. And still today, America needs help to recognize other human rights that come up as the world grows and evolves.

Too many people, in my opinion, feel that Americans are some how priviledged to be citizens. I don't feel this way. I think being American is more of a endeavor and less of a privilege. I say this as a law abiding citizen, tax payer, property and business owner. All the Freedoms that America is "good" enough to alot to it's citizens is paid for, one way or another, by those citizens. So to me, all American Freedoms are not privileges but, rights that have been bought and paid for.

I mean just look at those soldiers out at war right now. They are paying dearly. Their families are paying dearly. I don't agree with the war. But I do have great respect for the sacrafices these people make in their duty. Not only them, but their families.

So, I feel as an American we should all abide by the law, contribute to society, and excersise the Freedoms that we all work hard for. Knowing that other countries might not recognize it's citizens' freedoms (like America) does not make me grateful persay... It makes me work harder to ensure my freedoms are recognized. Because even in America, if each one of us does not fight for our rights, they can easily get taken away.

To the main point.... I think there is the fine line between the freedom of speech and harrassment. For example. A friend and I were having dinner at an upscale resturant and we were sitting on a patio. We were enjoying our meal and good conversation--so was everyone else dinning at this establishment. In the garden right outside the resturant a Preacher came and started yelling and preaching fire and brimstone. Well the security of the area came and told him to leave. I think this was good and fair. He was disturbing the peace. He should have taken his Free Speech to a more appropriate place, or held his demonstration in a manner that was a little more respectful of other people's space. Instead he could have handed out fliers, or held up a sign.

Another example was of a preacher yelling and desturbing a funeral because the deseased happened to be gay. He was holding a very loud protest. To me, that was not the freedom of speech, that was harrasment. What about the Freedom of the family to hold a peacful funeral for their son? The preacher could have excersised his Freedom of Speech in a much more fair and respectful manner. But he didn't.

It is these gray areas that need to be looked at. I think we all can say what we want, whenever you want. But I think all of us need to be required to respect other people's right and choice to listen or not.
 
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i think that all speech that isn't specifically threatening or conspiracy oriented (ie planning a crime) should be allowed. Sometimes, however, I think that beating the ass of someone who misuses their free speech should be protected under free speech laws as well
 
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I believe that the right to free speech is extremely important, and shouldn’t be restricted in any way. Sometimes it seems like it is justifiable to limit free speech in order to achiever a noble purpose, like preventing racism, but this is a dangerous path to start down. There won’t be any problems as long as a truly democratic government is in power, but restricting free speech makes it a lot easier for a corrupt government to stay in power.

One thing that scares me is governments that make it illegal to deny the holocaust. I’m not in any way suggesting that the holocaust didn’t happen, but I really don’t like setting a precedent for a government to outlaw disagreeing with the official version of history.
 
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Limiting free speech is no way to uphold American rights. People should be able to say what they like until they say "And that's why you should hurt people/ destroy things." The right to free speech ends where clear danger and inciting violence begin.
 
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