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In reading the brief seven laws... you will note that not one of them has anything to do with a relationship with God. These laws are in regard to a relationship with Jews and their judiscial system, and with animals.

But there is a larger picture as you study into what all is entailed in this theology of noahide classification. If you do not think it is important, remember our president has already signed the noahide laws. As more and more countries around the world sign up, there will come a time when it wil be enacted into that part of the law which has to do with enforcement.

I believe that it will have a profound effect on the religious world as the political world enforces it.

http://www.wikinoah.org/index.php/The_70_Gates

This link show the concerted effort to seriously look at each religion around the world, categorize them. The following is an attempt to review the expression of the faith as a potential Noachide faith as interpreted by Rabbinic Tradition. Following a description and brief summary of the religion, an attempt is made to identify which parts of that faith are incompatible with the Seven Laws of Noach. There are two goals in this effort: First, for believers who are currently belong to these faiths to become aware of what the Noachide Laws require of all humanity. Second, to try to isolate, identify and retain the national character of the faith so that a Noachide is left with a deep and fulfilling expression of his faith.

Eg...Noahides who follow the Rambam Approach declare all existing religions invalid by definition. Their approach has been to reject all aspects of their previous faith and adopt various Jewish traditions, albeit modified in some way.

AKA.. if the goal is reached... we will have a one world political/religion.
 

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In reading the brief seven laws... you will note that not one of them has anything to do with a relationship with God. These laws are in regard to a relationship with Jews and their judiscial system, and with animals.
I'll leave the rest of your post so that it can be discussed with MJs and Js, but the laws against blasphemy and idolatry are directly related to one's relationship with God.

For the rest of the laws, it's like kashrut. What does eating kosher or non-kosher have to do with a relationship with God? Well obviously God really does care about what you eat. Likewise, the Noahide commandments about sexual immorality and legal systems determine whether you are seen as as righteous in the sight of God. These commandments may seem more 'indirect' than the one enjoining you to believe in a monotheistic God, but they still govern the relationship you have with Him.
 
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I'll leave the rest of your post so that it can be discussed with MJs and Js, but the laws against blasphemy and idolatry are directly related to one's relationship with God.

For the rest of the laws, it's like kashrut. What does eating kosher or non-kosher have to do with a relationship with God? Well obviously God really does care about what you eat. Likewise, the Noahide commandments about sexual immorality and legal systems determine whether you are seen as as righteous in the sight of God. These commandments may seem more 'indirect' than the one enjoining you to believe in a monotheistic God, but they still govern the relationship you have with Him.
:thumbsup: good post.
 
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I'll leave the rest of your post so that it can be discussed with MJs and Js, but the laws against blasphemy and idolatry are directly related to one's relationship with God.

For the rest of the laws, it's like kashrut. What does eating kosher or non-kosher have to do with a relationship with God? Well obviously God really does care about what you eat. Likewise, the Noahide commandments about sexual immorality and legal systems determine whether you are seen as as righteous in the sight of God. These commandments may seem more 'indirect' than the one enjoining you to believe in a monotheistic God, but they still govern the relationship you have with Him.

Exactly!
 
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From someones blog that doesn't like the term Judeo-Christian:

The ruling of the most authoritative "sage" of Judaism, Moses Maimonides:
"The Christians are idolaters, and Sunday is their holiday..." (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Avodah Zorah, 9;4)
“The Christians are worshipers of Avodah Zarah” (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Ma'akhalot Assurot, 11:7)
It may interest "Judeo-Christians" to know that while "elder brother" Maimonides strictly maintained Christians to be idolaters, he ruled that Muslims are not idolators:
"These Muslims [Ishmaelim] are not in any way idolators. [Idolatry] has already been removed from their mouths and their hearts, and they unify G-d in the appropriate manner without any admixture [of idolatrous beliefs]." (Maimonides, Responsa, 448)​
However, this should not be taken to mean that Islam should be tolerated according to Maimonides. In fact, Maimonides completely forbids Islam under Judaic rule (Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim 8;11). Christians and Muslims would be forced to accept the Talmudic religion for goys, the "Noahide Laws." Christians who uphold the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ would be executed:
"... a gentile who worships false gods is liable, [for the death penalty] provided he worships them in the accepted manner. A gentile is executed for every type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would consider worthy of capital punishment." (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim 11)
Will the world soon be run by all Jewish courts?
 
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From someones blog that doesn't like the term Judeo-Christian:

The ruling of the most authoritative "sage" of Judaism, Moses Maimonides:It may interest "Judeo-Christians" to know that while "elder brother" Maimonides strictly maintained Christians to be idolaters, he ruled that Muslims are not idolators:
"These Muslims [Ishmaelim] are not in any way idolators. [Idolatry] has already been removed from their mouths and their hearts, and they unify G-d in the appropriate manner without any admixture [of idolatrous beliefs]." (Maimonides, Responsa, 448)
However, this should not be taken to mean that Islam should be tolerated according to Maimonides. In fact, Maimonides completely forbids Islam under Judaic rule (Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim 8;11). Christians and Muslims would be forced to accept the Talmudic religion for goys, the "Noahide Laws." Christians who uphold the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ would be executed:Will the world soon be run by all Jewish courts?

Not commenting one way or another, but remember that the Rambam lieved in a near exclusivly muslim environment, and had seen in his lifetime the crusades. He could not have gotten his works published if he said that Islam was idolatry or that chr*stianity was not idolatry.

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Will the world soon be run by all Jewish courts?
Yes, may Moshiach come swiftly and in our day :thumbsup: .

That is exactly what will happen in the Olam Haba, and btw there won't be any forcing of the Noachide laws on either chr*tians OR Muslims, or anyone of any other religion. No one will be executed (good grief, are Jews Muslim's now? -- believe or die!) No gentiles will be executed for being chr*tian or any other religion -- those religions simply will cease to exist. The fact is, no other G-d but HaShem will be known or worshipped. The whole world will be full of the knowledge of HaShem, and on that day He will be acknowledged as ONE and His name will be ONE.

:amen:
IMHO of course.
 
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Yes, may Moshiach come swiftly and in our day :thumbsup: .

That is exactly what will happen in the Olam Haba, and btw there won't be any forcing of the Noachide laws on either chr*tians OR Muslims, or anyone of any other religion. No one will be executed (good grief, are Jews Muslim's now? -- believe or die!) No gentiles will be executed for being chr*tian or any other religion -- those religions simply will cease to exist. The fact is, no other G-d but HaShem will be known or worshipped. The whole world will be full of the knowledge of HaShem, and on that day He will be acknowledged as ONE and His name will be ONE.

:amen:
IMHO of course.

Omayn!

According to the prophet Zacariah, ten goyim will grab onto the kissel of every Jew and say "take me and show me HaShem for I see now that I was not worshiping the true G-d."

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Yes, may Moshiach come swiftly and in our day :thumbsup: .

That is exactly what will happen in the Olam Haba, and btw there won't be any forcing of the Noachide laws on either chr*tians OR Muslims, or anyone of any other religion. No one will be executed (good grief, are Jews Muslim's now? -- believe or die!) No gentiles will be executed for being chr*tian or any other religion -- those religions simply will cease to exist. The fact is, no other G-d but HaShem will be known or worshipped. The whole world will be full of the knowledge of HaShem, and on that day He will be acknowledged as ONE and His name will be ONE.

:amen:
IMHO of course.
That is good news because noahide laws are being politically pushed and that is dangerous.
 
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From someones blog that doesn't like the term Judeo-Christian:
More like that person doesn't like Judaism altogether. Certainly an 'interesting' blog. He seems quite interested in talking about Zionism though...

Skull and Bones-warmonger-Zionist G.W. Bush has all of the proper credentials for a Benedict XVI-styled conversion.
And a little later on he mentions how Israelis had a connection to JFK's assassination:
This won't be news to astute researchers of the John F. Kennedy assassination (JFK being a strong opponent to the Israeli Nuclear weapons program) and the Israeli bombing of the U.S.S. Liberty and subsequent cover up in Washington which John McCain's father played a key role in.
 
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Hey Lulav, do you check your sources? Now the blog you cited seems to be a mud-slinger as well:

We may now add to that list of pagan holidays, "Yom HaShoah" a commemoration of the psychodrama of the Kabbalistic six million which is commemorated every other day of the year besides and which forms the basis for the six-pointed Zionist state.
 
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More like that person doesn't like Judaism altogether. Certainly an 'interesting' blog. He seems quite interested in talking about Zionism though...

And a little later on he mentions how Israelis had a connection to JFK's assassination:
grabs tinfoil teichel
 
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That is good news because noahide laws are being politically pushed and that is dangerous.

Chas V'Shalom! we are too busy doing Kiruv work to worry about what goyim are doing.

The ones pushing the expansion of the noachide movemnt in the past few years are generally speaking noachides themselves.

Yochanan
 
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