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I didn't say anything about whether one should admire Bill Gates. Rather, I offered him as an example of a non-Christian that has also helped the homeless -- a type of person that Renton405 implied did not exist.Wasn't Bill Gates mentioned as an example of an admirable secular person who donated much to charity?
The church doesn't really accumulate wealth. They use the money given to them to help the needy, and partly to restore monumental churches.I didn't say anything about whether one should admire Bill Gates. Rather, I offered him as an example of a non-Christian that has also helped the homeless -- a type of person that Renton405 implied did not exist.
Whether it is ok to accumulate wealth in the face of need is a separate issue. Do you think it is ok?
The church doesn't really accumulate wealth. They use the money given to them to help the needy, and partly to restore monumental churches.
And yes, I think it's OK to have personal possessions. I'm not a communist. The church are helping the needy. Let's not forget that. And let's not forget that there's a lot that we, personally, can do, too.
Do you believe it is ok to accumulate wealth?The church doesn't really accumulate wealth. They use the money given to them to help the needy, and partly to restore monumental churches.
And yes, I think it's OK to have personal possessions. I'm not a communist. The church are helping the needy. Let's not forget that. And let's not forget that there's a lot that we, personally, can do, too.
Is that what the Catholic church is doing? Seems to me they're preserving treasures from the past. They aren't bidding on Monet's at Sotheby's.Do you believe it is ok to accumulate wealth?
That's irrelevant, because that's not what the church is doing.Do you believe it is ok to accumulate wealth?
Pfff. i could say the same about the ones attacking the church: they're all non-catholics. Talk about bias.Observation: Everyone who disagrees is Catholic. No bias in this room at all. None. /sarcasm
Just throwing that out there. It's not biblical to use money that COULD be used to help the poor for something so petty. I mean, keeping up the church, whatever. I'm fine with that. But keeping up gigantic fancy buildings? The church doesn't NEED monuments! That's how idols are created!
Oh noes, you got me!!!!SHE'S LYING!! SHE'S A CARD CARRYING COMMIE!!! GET HER!!
Observation: Everyone who disagrees is Catholic. No bias in this room at all. None. /sarcasm
Just throwing that out there.
It's not biblical to use money that COULD be used to help the poor for something so petty.
I mean, keeping up the church, whatever. I'm fine with that. But keeping up gigantic fancy buildings? The church doesn't NEED monuments! That's how idols are created!
Yep - I worship paintings too.Go gather it up and take it back then. Muslim, page one, agreed with me.
Ah. Another person without personal posessions. Another person who wants to see the museums of the world sell off their holdings.
Lol. Yep I worship paintings, how did you know?
I don't know if that is what the Catholic church is doing. But I was responding to the below post which claimed that church isn't as rich as people think it is, and focused on the fact that the church helps the poor. It seemed to imply that if you help the poor you are free to accumulate wealth. I may be misinterpreting the poster's meaning and, if so, I trust he'll correct me.Is that what the Catholic church is doing? Seems to me they're preserving treasures from the past. They aren't bidding on Monet's at Sotheby's.
This post in the OP was attacking how the Vatican dosen't help the poor. It is obviously wrong because the Church helps the poor more often than most. That is what I was implying. You and others are obviously ignorant of the Church and don't know much about it, or its involvement with the poor, so I have to correct you because of this OPs ignorance. In fact if people actually read more about the Apostolic Church, they would see that the Vatican isn't as rich as people think it is. If you think the Vatican is some super rich organization then you are watching too many movies. You should try to read what I say instead of going on a tangent of self righteouness telling others to "think more about what God cares about". As if you really knew.. Seriously, all your posts bleed self righteousness and you need to humble yourself for once. Like I said if your so concerned, go on a missions trip to africa. You can leave your vain lifestyle for a missions trip, correct?
Ah. Another person without personal posessions. Another person who wants to see the museums of the world sell off their holdings.
If you want that question answered, you might as well start a new thread to ask it in general. The church is not accumulating wealth. And certainly not personal wealth. The pope, to name a random catholic, doesn't have any money, and very few personal possessions.I don't know if that is what the Catholic church is doing. But I was responding to the below post which claimed that church isn't as rich as people think it is, and focused on the fact that the church helps the poor. It seemed to imply that if you help the poor you are free to accumulate wealth. I may be misinterpreting the poster's meaning and, if so, I trust he'll correct me.
Do you believe it is ok to accumulate personal wealth so long as you also help the poor?
I deny your conclusion.You are normally a reasonable person from what i read. I just question how you can defend an establishment, when it is written in every stone they have laid, that they are materialistic, power hungry, and greedy.
Me too. But I'm biased of course, being a catholic.I deny your conclusion.
I don't know if that is what the Catholic church is doing. But I was responding to the below post which claimed that church isn't as rich as people think it is, and focused on the fact that the church helps the poor. It seemed to imply that if you help the poor you are free to accumulate wealth.
Not everyone agrees with you, MissBabylon.If you want that question answered, you might as well start a new thread to ask it in general. The church is not accumulating wealth. And certainly not personal wealth. The pope, to name a random catholic, doesn't have any money, and very few personal possessions.
Well, if they're so wealthy, then why don't they have the money to restore their own churches? Mine, for example? They can't raise the 4 million it costs just to prevent it from falling to pieces.Not everyone agrees with you, MissBabylon.
Do you believe it is ok for an organization to accumulate wealth? EDIT: A "Christian" organization, that is ...
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