How does your religion view & treat....

[Kris_J]

Hermaphrodites?

Just wondering.

 

[TheListener]

You certainly have some wierd ideas in that little noggin of yours Kris_J.

How do you view & treat hermaphrodites?

 

[Gardenia]

Um.. no differently than other people are view'd/treated I guess..

 

[Kris_J]

You certainly have some wierd ideas in that little noggin of yours Kris_J.

How do you view & treat hermaphrodites?

LoL. Keeps me & the rest of you on our toes.

I was imagining Hindus praising the qualities of being hermaphrodite, & Fundamentalist Christians claiming they are proof of "fallen state", & I dunno about Muslims & Jews.

I for one don't mind at all as they are God's "creation" (i'm speaking as an evolutionist) & as rightly human as anybody - except that I'd feel sorry for them as they would probably be persecuted by society.

How about you?

 

[TheListener]

I must admit I've never put any thought into it before, and I'm almost sure I've not seen any references in the Bible to hermaphrodites.

My opinion, I don't see why anyone should be singled out because of the way they were born. I don't think being a hermaphrodite is a sin.

Just like being a siamese twin or a midget or a woman with a beard isn't a sin.

 

[Kris_J]

Um.. no differently than other people are view'd/treated I guess..

What is Kemetic Orthodox?

 

[Kris_J]

I must admit I've never put any thought into it before, and I'm almost sure I've not seen any references in the Bible to hermaphrodites.

My opinion, I don't see why anyone should be singled out because of the way they were born. I don't think being a hermaphrodite is a sin.

Just like being a siamese twin or a midget or a woman with a beard isn't a sin.

Does that mean you are not a Biblical Creationist?

 

[Arthra]

There's nothing against birth anamolies in the Baha'i Faith... They would be accepted along with everyone else.

We also believe medical science has a high place in the scheme of things, that is we believe in the efficacy of medicine and therapy where it is called for:

"Whatever the competent physicians or surgeons prescribe for a patient must be accepted and complied with."

 

[Kris_J]

There's nothing against birth anamolies in the Baha'i Faith... They would be accepted along with everyone else.

We also believe medical science has a high place in the scheme of things, that is we believe in the efficacy of medicine and therapy where it is called for:

"Whatever the competent physicians or surgeons prescribe for a patient must be accepted and complied with."

Why do you speak of surgeons/doctors? Do you imply a "correction" of the hermaphrodite condition?

 

[TheListener]

Does that mean you are not a Biblical Creationist?

I have no strong opinions on the creation theories out there.

 

[Kris_J]

MARRIAGE BETWEEN A WOMAN AND PARTLY A WOMAN



Halakhic discussions of the status of a hermaphrodite (androginos: not an “androgynous” person as we use the word, but one who has both male and female sexual organs) raise the possibility of valid marriages between a woman and a partner who is at least partly female:

There are ways in which a hermaphrodite (androginos) is like men, ways in which he is like women, ways in which he is like men and women and ways in which he is neither like men nor like women.How is he like men?... He may marry [a woman] but not be married [by a man], like men....
Mishnah, Bikurim 4:1-2
Rabbi Yosei and Rabbi Shim’on say: If a hermaphrodite (androginos) who is a Kohen marries a woman of non-Kohen descent, he entitles her to eat terumah. Rabbi Yehudah says:... A hermaphrodite may marry [a woman] but not be married [by a man]. Rabbi Eliezer says: [A man who has sex with] a hermaphrodite is liable to capital punishment by stoning, as with a male.

Mishnah, Yevamot 8:6

“A hermaphrodite may marry [a woman]”: that is to say, if he marries [a woman], the marriage is a marriage. “But not be married [by a man]”: if he is married [by a man] the marriage is nonexistent, because he is not fitting to be married [by a man], because a man who has sex with him may be liable to capital punishment by stoning. This is the halakhah, and this is how the great commentators [on the Mishnah] ruled. However, the great codifiers ruled that there is doubt about both possibilities and that divorce is required in either case, i.e. whether he married [a woman] or was married [by a man].


Commentary of the Meirion Talmud Yevamot 81a

http://post.queensu.ca/~jjl/samesextext.htm

The Talmud seems to have some rules about where hermaphrodites fit in society. Can Jews confirm this please? Thanks.

 

[Montalban]

What is Kemetic Orthodox?

http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_kemet.htm

 

[Kris_J]

http://altreligion.about.com/library/faqs/bl_kemet.htm

Interesting that a belief diefying chimeras & sphynxes will have a problem with hermaphrodites.

 

[Montalban]

Interesting that a belief diefying chimeras & sphynxes will have a problem with hermaphrodites.

Are you just concerened about hermaphrodites, or all persons who seek 'gender realignment'?

 

[crossrunner]

Hermaphrodites?

Just wondering.

Just as Jesus would treat them...with love.

Cr (a fundie by the way)

 

[Gardenia]

Interesting that a belief diefying chimeras & sphynxes will have a problem with hermaphrodites.

KO is a specific group within the reconstruction area of paganism.

Also, this post confuses me. I never said there was a problem with hermaphrodites..?

 

[e=mv^2]

Fundamentalist Christians claiming they are proof of "fallen state"

There is no reason whatsoever that a fundamentalist would take a negative view of someone based upon how they were born.

I am sick of seeing people post what a fundamentalst would think. If you want to know what a fundamentalist would think then ask. Please save the prejudiced remarks. Bigotry is not pretty.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste Kris,


traditional Indian society, around the time of the arising of Buddha Shakyamuni, viewed homosexuals and hemaphrodites as a "third" gender and, as a consequence, had no real issues with them one way or the other.

naturally, as with any monastic institution, physical sex and so forth is right out, provided that one wants to remain a monastic. should that not be the case, the only stricture upon either homosexuals or hemaphrodites, with regards to sex, are the same stricture which is on the male and female layperson genders: avoid sexual misconduct.

interesting topic...

metta,

~v

 

[ravenscape]

Most 20th-21st century pagan traditions have issues or concerns with neither the gender identities nor the sexual practices of hermaphrodites. Or those of anyone else.

 

[NiamhDhabolt]

Someone being a hermaphrodite would not be a concern of mine. As far as I know, my religion in general does not have a problem with it... and I personally do not have a problem with it either.

Most 20th-21st century pagan traditions have issues or concerns with neither the gender identities nor the sexual practices of hermaphrodites. Or those of anyone else.

Exactly.