How does satan make you do bad things?

[Shy21]

I don't think you really know about Judaism. The Jews most certainly do believe in satan as exactly who he is. his influence is plastered throughout the Torah. Maybe you need to actually do some studying of Judaism.

OK....dont take my word for it....go and ask a religious figure in the Jewish community and ask them how they view satan and hell...matter fact go ask another Jew how they view satan and hell....not the same as a Christian view satan. Yes there is a belief in satan in Judaism...I even said that but we don't view satan as Christians do. Go ask any Jew. Seem you are the one that needs to do the studying.

 

[CrownCaster]

To be honest, to me the biblical Satan is just a scape goat, a way of blaming something else for the actions of a person. If someone cannot take responsibility for their own actions then they are decidedly cowardly. (The bible was not written by God remember)

I will be the first to say that satan is used as a scapegoat. Yes he is influential and knows just what buttons to push but we decide to go along.

Also, the Bible was written by God through prophets and disciples.

 

[CrownCaster]

OK....dont take my word for it....go and ask a religious figure in the Jewish community and ask them how they view satan and hell...matter fact go ask another Jew how they view satan and hell....not the same as a Christian view satan. Yes there is a belief in satan in Judaism...I even said that but we don't view satan as Christians do. Go ask any Jew. Seem you are the one that needs to do the studying.

Why do I need to go anywhere for the answers I already know? You made the statement. You should be the one to prove me wrong.

 

[Caedmon]

When I read about the vedas, ayurveda, sanatana dharma etc etc, it explains everything in detail that it makes senses like sicence. But the Bible to this day has failed to do so.

If you'd like a thoroughly detailed explanation of Christian belief, I recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can check it out at most libraries, or you can find it online here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

I have had christians ask why I even care about these things? They are useally like "who cares?". It seems to me that as long as the christians think they are going to heaven, who care how I get there, as in thoses kind of answers don't matter.

Don't worry about nay-sayers. God has his mercy to rain upon all. Hopefully the Catechism will answer some of your questions. Never cease in your pursuit of Truth. Peace be with you.

 

[Shy21]

Why do I need to go anywhere for the answers I already know? You made the statement. You should be the one to prove me wrong.

You obviously don't know. We do not BELIEVE in satan as Christians do. Gosh I was raised a Jew my whole life I think I ought to know my own religion buddy. Go ask on the Jew forum because if you think Jews believe people go to hell you are very mistaken.

 

[the-fact-is]

To answer your question we have to go back to where everything began here are a group of Quranic verses which gives you the answer:-

God says in Suara # 7 of His Book:-

11. And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblîs (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate.

12. (Allâh) said: "What prevented you (O Iblîs) that you did not prostrate, when I commanded you?" Iblîs said: "I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay."

13. (Allâh) said: "(O Iblîs) get down from this (Paradise), it is not for you to be arrogant here. Get out, for you are of those humiliated and disgraced."

14. (Iblîs) said: "Allow me respite till the Day they are raised up (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."

15. (Allâh) said: "You are of those allowed respite."

16. (Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray, surely I will sit in wait against them (human beings) on Your Straight Path.

17. Then I will come to them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, and You will not find most of them as thankful ones (i.e. they will not be dutiful to You)."

18. (Allâh) said (to Iblîs) "Get out from this (Paradise) disgraced and expelled. Whoever of them (mankind) will follow you, then surely I will fill Hell with you all."

19. "And O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in Paradise, and eat thereof as you both wish, but approach not this tree otherwise you both will be of the Zâlimûn (unjust and wrong*doers)."

20. Then Shaitân (Satan) whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals."

21. And he [Shaitân (Satan)] swore by Allâh to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well*wishers for you both."

22. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitân (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"

23. They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers."

24. (Allâh) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other [i.e. Adam, Hawwa (Eve), and Shaitân (Satan), etc.]. On earth will be a dwelling*place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time."

25. He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e.resurrected)."

26. O Children of Adam! We have bestowed raiment upon you to cover yourselves (screen your private parts, etc.) and as an adornment, and the raiment of righteousness, that is better. Such are among the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, that they may remember (i.e. leave falsehood and follow truth ).

27. O Children of Adam! Let not Shaitân (Satan) deceive you, as he got your parents [Adam and Hawwa (Eve)] out of Paradise, stripping them of their raiments, to show them their private parts. Verily, he and Qabîluhu (his soldiers from the jinns or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them. Verily, We made the Shayâtin (devils) Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) for those who believe not.

 

[GL2814]

If there is a devil how does satan make people do bad things. Does satan talk to you and tell you to do them. Does satan possess you, if so wouldn't you have to have a weak mind for such a possessing to take place?

So could some one inform me on this matter.

peace

The devil tempts you to do things. In the end it is you who makes the choice of doing what he wants or not. That old saying, "The devil made me do it." Is a poor excuse for doing bad things.

 

[CrownCaster]

If you'd like a thoroughly detailed explanation of Christian belief, I recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church. You can check it out at most libraries, or you can find it online here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
Don't worry about nay-sayers. God has his mercy to rain upon all. Hopefully the Catechism will answer some of your questions. Never cease in your pursuit of Truth. Peace be with you.

The catechism of the catholic church will only tell you what catholics believe and not give you a detailed idea of what all of Christendom is about. There are many sources. Might want to check out Foxes book of martyrs to see how strongly people believe in what we believe.

 

[CrownCaster]

You obviously don't know. We do not BELIEVE in satan as Christians do. Gosh I was raised a Jew my whole life I think I ought to know my own religion buddy. Go ask on the Jew forum because if you think Jews believe people go to hell you are very mistaken.

Well, I keep reading you saying this but I have yet to see any evidence. I still stand that it must mean you don't know about your own religion. Thanks.

 

[lovinjesus31]

Hmmm,that's a real good post I think.The way I see it in my experience he is very sneaky,he creeps in unexpected,he likes to confuse you!

 

[Shy21]

Well, I keep reading you saying this but I have yet to see any evidence. I still stand that it must mean you don't know about your own religion. Thanks.

I dont know my religion? What is my religion since you seem to know it better than me? Anyways I will tell you what since you seem to "think" you know.

In Christian belief, Satan is a fallen angel that has freedom of choice and rebels against G-d. Judaism's view is very different. Isaiah 45:7 and Deuteronomy 13 show that G-d created the temptation to do evil to test our loyalty. That is why the word satan Hebrew literally means an adversary (Numbers 22:22) that comes to challenge us. Our mission is to overcome these temptations and do what is correct. The Torah (Genesis 4:7) teaches that this mission is within our ability to fulfill.

Only the very righteous go directly to Gan Eden or Heaven for Christians. The average person descends to a place of punishment and/or purification, generally referred to as Gehinnom and that place is not similiar to hell at all. Some views see Gehinnom as one of severe punishment, a bit like the Christian Hell of fire and brimstone but you are not there for eternal. But most Jews see it as a time when we can see the actions of our lives objectively, see the harm that we have done and the opportunities we missed, and experience remorse for our actions. The period of time in Gehinnom does not exceed 12 months, and then ascends to take his place on Olam Ha-Ba. Only the utterly wicked do not ascend at the end of this period; their souls are punished for the entire 12 months. Sources differ on what happens at the end of those 12 months: some say that the wicked soul is utterly destroyed and ceases to exist while others say that the soul continues to exist in a state of consciousness of remorse.

We do not believe in eternal damnation and hell also. The Jewish belief is in a purgatory that purifies the soul of its spiritual blemishes prior to its return to G-d. (Psalm 49:15, II Samuel 14:13, Isaiah 45:17)

Like I said our views of satan and hell is nothing like christianity. satan is just someone that tempts us to do wrong..not a cruel creature that wants to take over earth.

You may not understand just as I dont understand your satan and hell.......

 

[CrownCaster]

I dont know my religion? What is my religion since you seem to know it better than me? Anyways I will tell you what since you seem to "think" you know.

In Christian belief, Satan is a fallen angel that has freedom of choice and rebels against G-d. Judaism's view is very different. Isaiah 45:7 and Deuteronomy 13 show that G-d created the temptation to do evil to test our loyalty. That is why the word satan Hebrew literally means an adversary (Numbers 22:22) that comes to challenge us. Our mission is to overcome these temptations and do what is correct. The Torah (Genesis 4:7) teaches that this mission is within our ability to fulfill.

Only the very righteous go directly to Gan Eden or Heaven for Christians. The average person descends to a place of punishment and/or purification, generally referred to as Gehinnom and that place is not similiar to hell at all. Some views see Gehinnom as one of severe punishment, a bit like the Christian Hell of fire and brimstone but you are not there for eternal. But most Jews see it as a time when we can see the actions of our lives objectively, see the harm that we have done and the opportunities we missed, and experience remorse for our actions. The period of time in Gehinnom does not exceed 12 months, and then ascends to take his place on Olam Ha-Ba. Only the utterly wicked do not ascend at the end of this period; their souls are punished for the entire 12 months. Sources differ on what happens at the end of those 12 months: some say that the wicked soul is utterly destroyed and ceases to exist while others say that the soul continues to exist in a state of consciousness of remorse.

We do not believe in eternal damnation and hell also. The Jewish belief is in a purgatory that purifies the soul of its spiritual blemishes prior to its return to G-d. (Psalm 49:15, II Samuel 14:13, Isaiah 45:17)

Like I said our views of satan and hell is nothing like christianity. satan isnt just someone that tempts us to do wrong..not a cruel creature that wants to take over earth.

You may not understand just as I dont understand your satan and hell.......

Couple of problems with your post but not big issues so I will only address one. Christians do not think that righteous people go to Heaven. None are righteous and all fall short of the glory of God. We know that only those who have accepted Jesus Christ will see the Father. This is a gift to very unrighteous souls who will accept Him. Other then that, good post but satan is still a very real entity in Judaism.

 

[vedickings]

I think bad action is do to 2 things.

1. Ignorance

or/and

2. Ego

I do not believe in a devil, but I do believe in negative forces, such as demons.

 

[Shy21]

Couple of problems with your post but not big issues so I will only address one. Christians do not think that righteous people go to Heaven. None are righteous and all fall short of the glory of God. We know that only those who have accepted Jesus Christ will see the Father. This is a gift to very unrighteous souls who will accept Him. Other then that, good post but satan is still a very real entity in Judaism.

But satan still isnt the same as satan in Christianity...no matter how you try to put it. Also satan may be real in Judaism, but he isnt talked about as much as Christianity talks about him. And also tell me what are the other issues that are wrong with my post? Tell me more. Since you know more about my religion than me. Is that what you are applying?

 

[Caedmon]

The catechism of the catholic church will only tell you what catholics believe and not give you a detailed idea of what all of Christendom is about. There are many sources. Might want to check out Foxes book of martyrs to see how strongly people believe in what we believe.

Thank you for the recommendation, but I only give creedence to accurate sources.

 

[Caedmon]

In Christian belief, Satan is a fallen angel that has freedom of choice and rebels against G-d. Judaism's view is very different. Isaiah 45:7 and Deuteronomy 13 show that G-d created the temptation to do evil to test our loyalty. That is why the word satan Hebrew literally means an adversary (Numbers 22:22) that comes to challenge us. Our mission is to overcome these temptations and do what is correct. The Torah (Genesis 4:7) teaches that this mission is within our ability to fulfill.

Only the very righteous go directly to Gan Eden or Heaven for Christians. The average person descends to a place of punishment and/or purification, generally referred to as Gehinnom and that place is not similiar to hell at all. Some views see Gehinnom as one of severe punishment, a bit like the Christian Hell of fire and brimstone but you are not there for eternal. But most Jews see it as a time when we can see the actions of our lives objectively, see the harm that we have done and the opportunities we missed, and experience remorse for our actions. The period of time in Gehinnom does not exceed 12 months, and then ascends to take his place on Olam Ha-Ba. Only the utterly wicked do not ascend at the end of this period; their souls are punished for the entire 12 months. Sources differ on what happens at the end of those 12 months: some say that the wicked soul is utterly destroyed and ceases to exist while others say that the soul continues to exist in a state of consciousness of remorse.

We do not believe in eternal damnation and hell also. The Jewish belief is in a purgatory that purifies the soul of its spiritual blemishes prior to its return to G-d. (Psalm 49:15, II Samuel 14:13, Isaiah 45:17)

That's interesting. I didn't know that Jews believed in a purgatory. For us, Purgatory is also a place of purification. Those without mortal sin go to either Heaven or Purgatory. If you have no mortal sin, but are guilty of venial sin at your death, you go to Purgatory. While there, you are cleansed of all remaining sin, and the damage to your soul caused by sin is mended. Some people imagine it to be a place where you are made of aware of all your sins and the damage that they caused. After being cleansed of all remaining sin, you enter Heaven with God and all Saints for eternity.

I have some questions though, if you don't mind. Is Satan a real entity, or merely a mythological representation of temptation? Also, Gehinnom sounds like Gehenna, which is the eternal hell for Christians. Are they similar? What is Sheol, and what role does it play? After a soul leaves Gehinnom and ascends to Olam Ha-Ba, do they reside in Olam Ha-Ba for eternity, or do they eventually ascend to Gan Eden? Is Gan Eden eternal? Thanks for your patience in answering my questions.

 

[TrueQ]

Well that's a shame, you'll miss all of the most interesting parts of history that way, check out Herodotus sometime and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway, I've got an off-topic question for Shy21, if nobody minds. This Gehennom, would the term Gehenna be a mistranslation of that, or did it come from some other source? Seeing myself type it, it sounds like an off-chance you have an answer, but if you do, I'd delight to hear it.

 

[TrueQ]

Lol, here's a coincidence worth chuckling over, eh Caedmon?

 

[Caedmon]

Lol, here's a coincidence worth chuckling over, eh Caedmon?

Great minds think alike...

Well, not always, but that platitude is so firmly engrained into our culture, I couldn't resist the temptation. Uh oh... the devil made me do it.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

If there is a devil how does satan make people do bad things. Does satan talk to you and tell you to do them. Does satan possess you, if so wouldn't you have to have a weak mind for such a possessing to take place?

So could some one inform me on this matter.

peace

I don't know how Satan makes someone do bad things.
But this satan seems to be a powerful person.

He can send his believers in the garb of missionaries to God-believing countries and bring people away from God.