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How does one know God loves them?

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If, at times, you do not feel or experience God's love, and if much of Scripture seems unclear on the matter of whether God loves you unconditionally, despite all your many failings - how can you say that God loves you?

I suppose you could believe it for reasons of psychological stability and happiness. But isn't a bit presumptuous to say "God loves me" or "God loves you" without any concrete evidence for it beyond a mere psychological want?

I know the scriptures on God's love, and the theology of Christ's atoning death. But I've read three times as many telling His people to shape up or else. Which is fair enough: God is just. There are people living in total, continual sin - who don't believe in Christ - who are sure that "God" loves them.

Even if OSAS can be proved in Scripture, how do you know if you're one of the lucky once saved, always saved folk? And if it's not God's choice, what happens when your faith is at such an all time low that you may as well be an atheist?

By the way, I'm not in as a desperate situation as this OP might indicate. I can normally believe God loves me. But I thought I'd write this in an up time rather than a down time, because when it's hard to believe these truths my writing tends to be born out of frustration and thus unclear.
 
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1 John 4:16-19

"And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. We love Him because He first loved us."

Love is not just some "feel good" emotion. When we don't "feel" it, its not an issue on His end.

There are also a lot of indicators, especially in 1 John, as to the characteristics of a true believer. If you recognize yourself in those scriptures, there is a good possibility you are saved.
 
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But I've read three times as many telling His people to shape up or else.
You couldn't have read that in the New Testament because this is what it says:

Luke 2:14, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.

John 3:17, For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Romans 5:1-2, Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

2 Corinthians 5:19, that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Ephesians 2:15, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace.

etc., etc....:)

Peace and reconciliation through Jesus Christ is the good news.
 
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I've been thinking about this recently.

I've come to the conclusion that for much of my life I've relied on circumstances to determine God's love for me/my worth as a person. If I was having a good day - especially as a teenager - had passed an exam/got a letter in the post/got a job or whatever, it was easy to feel better about myself, and life in general, and conclude that these things showed that God loved me.
Conversely, when I prayed for healing, or even slight relief, from my many allergies, and did not receive it, I concluded that this was because God didn't love me and didn't want to listen to my prayers because I wasn't worth it.

It's maybe too long a story to go into; suffice it to say that I've realised I cannot look to circumstances, other people's words, actions and opinions, or even Christian books and amazing services to teach me and convict me of God's love.
If I want to know what he feels about me, and how much he loves me, I have to look at what he says on the subject - in his word.

"This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us" (1 John 3:16)

"This is how God showed his love among us: he sent his one and only son into the world that we might live through him." (1 John 4:9)

"This is love; not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." (1 John 4:10)

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Rom 5:8)
(emphasis mine)

Paul says that there is nothing in all creation that can ever seperate us from his love. And there are also a number of verses about God choosing us to be his.

I'm not sure even these will be enough for me in future bad times - I do tend to let my feelings get in the way and trust them, instead of God. But I hope to remember that IN all things we are more than conqyerors through him who loves us.
 
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This is a subject I get all the time as a pastor. "I don't know or have a feeling of what Love is." I can't answer them because my answer would only make them mad.. But sense everybody here is mad at me here goes.
How dare you call God a lair. If God say's His love is in you and around you then it is. What gives you the right to say you don't feel it or know it. Who are you sating your disblief of what God has said and think God will honor it?
One must learn to stand on the facts and not what one fills or sees and it will come to past.
 
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It really is that simple, Neph.

One thing I would also say is that the Bible often talks about the love of God in the past tense - for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, for example.

We all want to know God loves us by experience or by feelings or goosebumps. The more important fact is that He loved us 2000 years ago and took our sin, sickness, death and shame to the cross and swapped it for His life and peace and abundance.

When we realize how much Jesus loved us, then it isn't important to know through experience that He loves us, we just take it for granted.
 
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If, at times, you do not feel or experience God's love, and if much of Scripture seems unclear on the matter of whether God loves you unconditionally, despite all your many failings - how can you say that God loves you?

I suppose you could believe it for reasons of psychological stability and happiness. But isn't a bit presumptuous to say "God loves me" or "God loves you" without any concrete evidence for it beyond a mere psychological want?

I know the scriptures on God's love, and the theology of Christ's atoning death. But I've read three times as many telling His people to shape up or else. Which is fair enough: God is just. There are people living in total, continual sin - who don't believe in Christ - who are sure that "God" loves them.

Even if OSAS can be proved in Scripture, how do you know if you're one of the lucky once saved, always saved folk? And if it's not God's choice, what happens when your faith is at such an all time low that you may as well be an atheist?

By the way, I'm not in as a desperate situation as this OP might indicate. I can normally believe God loves me. But I thought I'd write this in an up time rather than a down time, because when it's hard to believe these truths my writing tends to be born out of frustration and thus unclear.

First off let me just say, I love honest and genuine posts like this one.

One of the obvious things about this is that just someone saying "I love you" doesn't mean much. I know how it is to look at Scripture and the Gospel message and say "I'm just supposed to take your word for it?" and most peoples answer is "yes" that is exactly what you are suppose to do and many former Christians who have turned athiest and agnostic have follwed that line of reasoning and talked themselves out of their own faith.

So then to answer your 100 million dollar question..."how does one know God loves them"

The truest answer I can give to that is that until you get to heaven,you cannot truly 100% know that He does.

You can reason that He does, believe that He does, feel that He does, be convinced that He does, but to truly know it beyond doubt would mean you have to cross over and experience it outside of this place of sojourning here.

Think of it this way...soldiers who are in Iraq for long periods of time...some of them could potentially come to believe after a while that the family they have back home doesn't love them. If they get mail, videos, get to talk on the phone, etc.. then that strengthens their belief that they are loved back home, however if they don't get anything then the opposite is true. I think we can feel that way about God at times where we say...

God you haven't moved in my life in a long while, God you haven't shown yourself in my life in a long while...what really happens is we are told in church that we are to believe outside the circumstance and not expect God to show up in our lives and make Himself known, but overtime if we take this position it begins to eat away at our soul. I know it has at mine whan I have thought like that. Then things would come to a head and I would cry out to God, "God where are you" or sometimes I might even say "God I have had it, I give up" and you know what...He has shown up supernatually in my life every single time that has happened...and sometimes I didn't know it until years down the road looking back upon reflection and realizing it.

It has happened in big and small ways so many times that I have begun to coin a phrase..."When I want to find God, I find the end of me"

Those are some of my personal thoughts on the matter. Not sure if it helps, but I thought I would share to let you know that you are not alone and guess what you don't have to feel bad when you don't feel like you know. It's called faith and it is your choice alone whether to believe it or not. When you choose to believe it (even when you don't know it) there is a tremendous freedom you enter into...a relationship with God where you finally get to say uniquivicoably..."God I choose you" "I choose to believe in you" ...it is like opening your arms wide as you dive off the edge embracing fully in total faith that you will either be embraced by your loving Heavenly Father or your life will end having believed it.

Yes I know there are hundreds of scenarios, sermons, teachings, etc... on God's love, but at the end of the day it is your personal choice whether you choose to believe it and we are faced with that same choice everyday. It is not a question of trying or not trying to believe this or that...it is simply a choice and it is yours and it is mine.

To me that is beautiful...it's my choice. Without that element of choice, then we are robbed of something very personal....the opportunity to respond in love and faith, both to God and to those around us. And it's not a choice founded on emotion, but that resonates from deep within one's spirit.

Concerning knowing that God loves you, knowing in the sense of knowing in your soul, I believe Jesus painted it in the most elequent way I have ever heard.

Luke 12:22-34 (ESV)

"And he said to his disciples, "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat, nor about your body, what you will put on. For life is more than food, and the body more than clothing. Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds! And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? If then you are not able to do as small a thing as that, why are you anxious about the rest?


Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! And do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be worried. For all the nations of the world seek after these things, and your Father knows that you need them.Instead, seek his kingdom, and these things will be added to you.

"Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.



In case you are interested, you might enjoy reading this short post on my blog entitled "finding God at the end of me"

Finding God at the end of me « An Imperfect Christian's Blog


Thank you for sharing your heart and your life here. May our Heavenly Father who dwells in unapproachable light make known His love and mercy to you afresh today my brother and may it flow out from within you like water from a well springing out into eternal life.

Blessings,

- Dave
 
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I think love is reciprocal—the more we love the more we feel loved. We love God because He first loved us and the more we love Him the more we feel loved by Him. When we do not return love and only love ourselves we are miserable and never feel loved enough. But when we live outside ourselves, for God and for others (i.e., we fulfill the Royal Law of Love), the Holy Spirit sheds God’s love abroad in our hearts.

~Jim

Mercy triumphs over judgment. ~James 2.13
 
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I'm a firm believer that 1st, a person must LOVE GOD and at least be willing to receive God's LOVE. You may inititally think, but wait isn't that backwards? How am I supposed to love Some one I don't even know loves me?

Well, God loves you regardless of how crappy you do or don't feel at a given moment. We must abide in that love in order to *feel* it. The deeper you dig, the more of God you will find.

"You will seek me and find me when you seek my with all of your heart"-Jer. 22
 
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