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No, this is a fallacy known as the appeal to the majority. In any case, the majority cannot agree on the nature and identity of god or even how many gods there are. So clearly the majority's verdict needs to be scrutinised more closely.In the case of a jury considering evidence, we assume a majority has arrived at a correct verdict.
If a majority of rational people think the evidence shows that God exists, it is reasonable to assume they are correct.
In the case of a jury considering evidence, we assume a majority has arrived at a correct verdict.
If a majority of rational people think the evidence shows that God exists, it is reasonable to assume they are correct.
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No. That won't do.
You don't get to say 'god exists' and then say that we cannot prove it. You make a faith based claim, you back it up.
The burden of proof is on you.
Then why don´t you go ahead and start doing it already?Except that I can use sound reason and logic to show why I believe in God,
Firstly, asking anyone "tough questions" doesn´t help substantiating your personal beliefs.you'll just choose to ignore the tough questions that my sound reason and logic present,
Which beliefs of mine would that be, in particular?and you'll choose to ignore the questions because they threaten your beliefs.
Firstly, asking anyone "tough questions" doesn´t help substantiating your personal beliefs.
Secondly, feel free to ask those "tough questions" before making predictions how they will be received.
Which beliefs of mine would that be, in particular?
I have never claimed that I believe that god doesn't exist. I claim that i do not believe that there is a god. No belief is required by me to take this position. This is based purely on the empirical proof that this universe has provided. The only one of us that is espousing any belief is you. You and i both live in this world and experience it as we do. We are moved by it and we can have some effect on it, however small, by the way we live in it, by the way we act towards others. We are both subject to the natural laws of this world. The only difference is that you go one step further and claim 'god' as the designer.
This is why the burden of proof is on your shoulders and not mine.
No.
Yet again, through reason and, as stated by the lack of empirical evidence for any deity, the burden of proof is on you when you make a faith based claim.
Depends on the question.It certainly helps get to the truth, wouldn't you agree?
You were mentioning my beliefs, not what I don´t believe.The fact that you claim to not believe in God.
No, that´s not what it means to not hold a belief.Meaning you accept the truth that God does not exist.
No, that´s not what not believing in a God implies.However, this implies that you've been presented with evidence that proves God does not exist
Wrong again.and you've accepted this proof as truth.
Depends on the question.
You were mentioning my beliefs, not what I don´t believe.
No, that´s not what it means to not hold a belief.
No, that´s not what not believing in a God implies.
Wrong again.
The difference between "I don´t believe people who claim that a God exists because I haven´t been given evidence" and your pompously inflated "You accept the truth that God does not exist [and] have been presented with evidence that prove God does not exist" is so obvious that we needn´t go down that road of semantics trickery.
In the case of a jury considering evidence, we assume a majority has arrived at a correct verdict.
If a majority of rational people think the evidence shows that God exists, it is reasonable to assume they are correct.
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I can´t explain other persons´ statements to you.Yet there are some atheists who claim to know God does not exist, why can't you know it as well?
Yes. I claim neither.Knowing something implies you've been presented with proof.
Probably for similar reasons how some theists can claim to know God exists and others not.How can some atheists claim to know God does not exist and others not?
Not every person, only those that believe. And belief in not a conscious choice.He clearly says he loves every person.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Is that not circular? If you believe in a particular god, does it not follow that you would believe in that particular god's attributes?Only a fool would believe this and then deny His love, yet there is forgiveness, because the price has been paid for all sins.
In the case of a jury considering evidence, we assume a majority has arrived at a correct verdict.
If a majority of rational people think the evidence shows that God exists, it is reasonable to assume they are correct.
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I can´t explain other persons´ statements to you.
Personally, I don´t have such knowledge. Whether or why I can´t have it, I don´t know.
Yes. I claim neither.
Probably for similar reasons how some theists can claim to know God exists and others not.
People can claim a lot on a long day, you know.
Now, does you "proof" for a God´s existence depend on people claiming to know that God doesn´t exist, or does it stand on its own feet? If the latter, present it already, and don´t ask me irrelevant questions about the psychology of other persons.
Not every person, only those that believe. And belief in not a conscious choice.
Is that not circular? If you believe in a particular god, does it not follow that you would believe in that particular god's attributes?
God of the holy bible describes himself as infinite and timeless. Do you really think humans just made a lucky guess 2000 years ago when writing the bible. A guess about an entity that is infinite and timeless that can explain our existence far better than the latest contradictory ideas of a singularity or imaginary time. Again it's more reasonable to believe an unprovable concept that makes sense rather than an unprovable concept that contradicts itself.
What of those who "ask him" and are shown the truth of Islam?As I've said before, humans can't prove God, only God can prove himself. Ask Him and He will show you the truth of Jesus.
No, that's not correct. This is a basic misunderstanding of the position of most atheists: we don't claim to know that God does not exist; we don't believe that he does (i.e., we lack belief). It's the difference between being unconvinced that there is a god and being convinced that there is no god.The fact that you claim to not believe in God means you've accepted the truth that God does not exist, this implies that you've been presented with evidence that proves God does not exist and you've accepted this proof as truth. I'm just asking you to present this evidence to me as well so I can determine the truth as well.
You insist that it makes sense, but you haven't shown that it makes sense, and what is it supposed to make sense of?God of the holy bible describes himself as infinite and timeless. Do you really think humans just made a lucky guess 2000 years ago when writing the bible. A guess about an entity that is infinite and timeless that can explain our existence far better than the latest contradictory ideas of a singularity or imaginary time. Again it's more reasonable to believe an unprovable concept that makes sense rather than an unprovable concept that contradicts itself.
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