How does one get healed?

[ARBITER01]

You need revelation to understand / get this.

Anyway, its for the OP, not you.

Many miracles of healing have taken place when the sick partook in faith, discerning the Lord's body. Them that have ears, let them listen.

Sorry, but no. There is no requirement of revelation for me or anyone to understand anything about that passage.

You are saying that a material event will spring forth a divine event, and I'm sorry GOD is not manipulated like that.

That is similar to like people who say that water baptism brings about regeneration. It is impossible because that would give the glory to man and his actions, not GOD and HIS decisions.

 

[psalms 91]

hi,you are not trying to say,just cause of that one verse,thats the only reason why people get sick?

sounds liks a whole new doctrine,have never heard that in 25 years of walking in the Lord...

ps,we are worthy to partake in a worthy manner,becasue of grace!

OK lets look at why people get sdick but first we have to agree that sickness and disease come from the enemy or satan. Once we can do that then there is only one root reason for sickness and disease, that is satan has an inroad to us for some reason or he has laid something at our dorrstep and we took it in, it cannot cross the bloodline of Jesus so there must be an opening.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Our lives are lived in occupied territory. Our minds are being transformed, our spirits are renewed but our bodies are still in unregenerated . We are all subject to sickness and death, otherwise we would live forever. Jesus' blessing upon His body as our sacrament is a remeberance. What goes in doesn't defile and all foods have been pronounced clean but does that make it all uncorruptable. To say that then you would have to say that the sheet lowered from heaven representing gentiles as unclean food made clean are now all undefiled. That's a very blanket statement and leaves out other aspects of God's law. Letter of the law will never replace grace. Nations are OT ways of dealing with things. NT is for individual (not letter but Spirit) dealings with God.

 

[pinetree]

OK lets look at why people get sdick but first we have to agree that sickness and disease come from the enemy or satan. Once we can do that then there is only one root reason for sickness and disease, that is satan has an inroad to us for some reason or he has laid something at our dorrstep and we took it in, it cannot cross the bloodline of Jesus so there must be an opening.

why do you think all sickness is from satan?

 

[pinetree]

Our lives are lived in occupied territory. Our minds are being transformed, our spirits are renewed but our bodies are still in unregenerated . We are all subject to sickness and death, otherwise we would live forever. Jesus' blessing upon His body as our sacrament is a remeberance. What goes in doesn't defile and all foods have been pronounced clean but does that make it all uncorruptable. To say that then you would have to say that the sheet lowered from heaven representing gentiles as unclean food made clean are now all undefiled. That's a very blanket statement and leaves out other aspects of God's law. Letter of the law will never replace grace. Nations are OT ways of dealing with things. NT is for individual (not letter but Spirit) dealings with God.

dup

 

[bithiah2]

it really does not matter what anyone thinks...because i know my God.
bithiah2

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

mankind is born to suffer like sparks fly upward

 

[pinetree]

mankind is born to suffer like sparks fly upward

 

[Yekcidmij]

it really does not matter what anyone thinks...because i know my God.
bithiah2

Please don't take this wrong, I'm not being mean here. I may just be picky, and you're not the only one I've seen say this.


Why do people call Him "my God". Isn't He YHWH, the Creator, the One and only God, and not a personal deity? People say, "my g(G)od does/doesn't do _____". Well, I say, so what? I don't follow your god. I follow YHWH, the Creator God of Israel who is revealed in and through Jesus. If you happen to follow and worship that same One, then I might care what you think and maybe we can talk.


I'm not looking for a fight. It's kind of an emerging pet peeve of mine when people say "my god would/wouldn't do ____" or something to that effect.

 

[pinetree]

Please don't take this wrong, I'm not being mean here. I may just be picky, and you're not the only one I've seen say this.


Why do people call Him "my God". Isn't He YHWH, the Creator, the One and only God, and not a personal deity? People say, "my g(G)od does/doesn't do _____". Well, I say, so what? I don't follow your god. I follow YHWH, the Creator God of Israel who is revealed in and through Jesus. If you happen to follow and worship that same One, then I might care what you think and maybe we can talk.


I'm not looking for a fight. It's kind of an emerging pet peeve of mine when people say "my god would/wouldn't do ____" or something to that effect.

Cant everyone have their own viewpoint or image of God?

Did not God have many names?

Exodus 6, God said to moses..I am the Lord,I appeared to Abraham ,Isaac and to Jacob as God almighty,but by my name the Lord,I did not make myself known to them.

Why cant someone say "my God"?

How do you know your image of God is the right one?

 

[Yekcidmij]

Cant everyone have their own viewpoint or image of God?

No. That's the simple answer. That's called idol worship. What was the commandment that said "no graven images"? We are made in God's image, not the other way around. Of course, we are human, and our understandings are highly likely to fall short at various places, but that doesn't mean I follow "my god" instead of YHWH.

Did not God have many names?

Sure. But, "Jimmie's god" wasn't one I saw listed. I may have been included as one of God's people, but God wasn't exactly "my god" nor would I have chosen YHWH to be "my God" had I been left to my own desires.

Exodus 6, God said to moses..I am the Lord,I appeared to Abraham ,Isaac and to Jacob as God almighty,but by my name the Lord,I did not make myself known to them.

That's right. He has many names.

Why cant someone say "my God"?

Nothing, save a few warnings, says they can't. Go ahead.

How do you know your image of God is the right one?

That's exactly why I don't ask people to worship my god. I rather say to worship and be faithful to YHWH the Creator God of Israel who is revealed in Jesus. (Not that I repeat that same mantra all the time). Saying "my god" just sounds too close to idolatry to me since God isn't made in our image. I could be too picky though; call it respect for God if you like.

 

[pinetree]

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No. That's the simple answer. That's called idol worship. What was the commandment that said "no graven images"? We are made in God's image, not the other way around. Of course, we are human, and our understandings are highly likely to fall short at various places, but that doesn't mean I follow "my god" instead of YHWH.



Sure. But, "Jimmie's god" wasn't one I saw listed. I may have been included as one of God's people, but God wasn't exactly "my god" nor would I have chosen YHWH to be "my God" had I been left to my own desires.



That's right. He has many names.



Nothing, save a few warnings, says they can't. Go ahead.




That's exactly why I don't ask people to worship my god. I rather say to worship and be faithful to YHWH the Creator God of Israel who is revealed in Jesus. (Not that I repeat that same mantra all the time). Saying "my god" just sounds too close to idolatry to me since God isn't made in our image. I could be too picky though; call it respect for God if you like.

how about the God of abraham,isaac,and jacob..is that ok...

do you think your image of God is the same as all saved saints?

How do you know whos image is right?

Scripture is of no private interpretation..

 

[pinetree]

the pharasees did not reconize the walking talking image of God.

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

Sorry, but no. There is no requirement of revelation for me or anyone to understand anything about that passage.

You are saying that a material event will spring forth a divine event, and I'm sorry GOD is not manipulated like that.

That is similar to like people who say that water baptism brings about regeneration. It is impossible because that would give the glory to man and his actions, not GOD and HIS decisions.

You're missing the point by a mile. Anyway, I'm not going to debate this with you.

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

You're making a connection that isn't there. Why do you assume that the passover meal was the cause of none being "feeble" during the Exodus? Based on your reasoning, I could say the passover meal was the cause of manna or the cause of the Red Sea parting. You're attributing false causes. Cum Hoc (Just means false cause).




That sounds very catholic of you. What do you mean be "substance"? Do you think you are chewing on the substance of Jesus?




You totally misconstrue the last supper. You are saying the only reason believers get sick in the new covenant is because they "don't discern the Lords body". I have a cold today, and have had it all weekend; my having a cold has nothing to do with not "discerning the Lords body". You are reading doctrine into the text.

I'm not RC and you're also missing the point. If you want to debate about the Holy Communion, start your own thread.

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

Please don't take this wrong, I'm not being mean here. I may just be picky, and you're not the only one I've seen say this.


Why do people call Him "my God". Isn't He YHWH, the Creator, the One and only God, and not a personal deity? People say, "my g(G)od does/doesn't do _____". Well, I say, so what? I don't follow your god. I follow YHWH, the Creator God of Israel who is revealed in and through Jesus. If you happen to follow and worship that same One, then I might care what you think and maybe we can talk.


I'm not looking for a fight. It's kind of an emerging pet peeve of mine when people say "my god would/wouldn't do ____" or something to that effect.

If you can't even say "my God" then you don't have a personal relationship with Him. I don't think you can say "my Daddy God either", which means you are still under bondage to the law.

 

[ARBITER01]

You're missing the point by a mile. Anyway, I'm not going to debate this with you.

I'm not missing anything on it. You are trying state a physical healing from a physical act instead of it being from GOD.

Cut and dry.

There is no time whatsoever that Jesus ever stated that we would be healed by eating and drinking communion, neither did Paul or any of the apostles and disciples.

Healing is from GOD and received from HIM through prayer or from HIM through HIS sent servant that is working in the gifts of healing. Either way, it is by and from GOD. That is the scriptural stated means.

If we could just get healing through communion, then there would be no ministry requirement for the gifts of healing in GOD's servants.

 

[Mark2010]

Oh, boy, has this thread ever gone off-topic.

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I'm not missing anything on it. You are trying state a physical healing from a physical act instead of it being from GOD.

Cut and dry.

There is no time whatsoever that Jesus ever stated that we would be healed by eating and drinking communion, neither did Paul or any of the apostles and disciples.

Healing is from GOD and received from HIM through prayer or from HIM through HIS sent servant that is working in the gifts of healing. Either way, it is by and from GOD. That is the scriptural stated means.

If we could just get healing through communion, then there would be no ministry requirement for the gifts of healing in GOD's servants.

Off topic.

 

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

Receiving healing via the Holy Communion:

http://www.angelfire.com/nuggetsfromgodsword/communion.html