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How does one come to believe something?

lumberjohn

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Rather than raging about the atheist "agenda," why not just articulate your question more clearly as several of us have reasonably requested? If I were to ask you "Deal or no deal?" how would you respond? You would probably have no idea because you aren't even sure what I'm talking about. You might understand the terms in isolation, but in the context of this question there is much that is unclear. Likewise, people have very different understandings of what is meant by "God." For some, it is a passive "first cause" that can be demonstrated by logic alone. For others, it is a more active being that intervenes in the physical universe and is therefore, at least in theory, detectable through empirical means. For still others, it is an emergent quality of the universe, such as for those who say "God is nature" or "God is love." Also, what do you mean by "better?" Perhaps you are talking about whether belief in God would improve your social standing or make you happier. Perhaps you are asking whether such belief is more intellectually defensible than the alternatives. I think it is perfectly reasonable to delve a bit deeper into your question so that we can formulate an appropriate response.

It is pretty common to attempt to reach agreement on the definitions of key terms before beginning a discussion. It need not suggest any nefarious ulterior motive.
 
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That's alright. Most folks propagating the wager haven't either.
 
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Read it and see!! Concern yourself with truth rather than mere argument!!

The truth is that any so called god that I could trick by pretending to believe isn't a god worth worshiping. Any truly god-like being would see through my attempts to deceive it.
 
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#3 should read, "Therefore, People who are Christians only came to believe that God exists by evaluating WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE evidence."

Of course, what someone considers to be evidence may not actually be evidence.
 
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Hi AllanV,

You make some interesting points. Whilst the power of God can be felt through the Holy Spirit working in Christians, he can only dwell within someone who has accepted Jesus into their lives and who follows him as their Saviour each day. A Christian woman cannot provide a cover for her non-believing husband. A choir cannot redeem a non-believing choir member.
 
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Hi AllanV,

You make some interesting points. Whilst the power of God can be felt through the Holy Spirit working in Christians, he can only dwell within someone who has accepted Jesus into their lives and who follows him as their Saviour each day.

Why?
 
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You've answered why you believe this to be the case, but not why it is the case. That is my question. Also, how exactly does the Holy Spirit do this? What is the mechanism?
I don't mean to be flippant, but you will find the answers to your questions in the New Testament.
 
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The New Testament consists of a series of historical documents which have been faithfully reproduced down the centuries with an oversight of different Church denominations, who established a committee of theologians to ensure authentic translation from the ancient Greek, ancient Hebrew. The 1st century AD authors were disciples and witnesses of Christ's ministry, and argue that their writings are of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Considering even Christian NT scholars agree, the gospels were penned by anonymous authors, you run into trouble early on with that one.

Lastly, many NT historians (which do different work than scholars), will state the gospels, are more a work of theology, vs credible history.
 
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Opinions differ between scholars - I cannot say more because it all rests on which scholars you believe.
 
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Opinions differ between scholars - I cannot say more because it all rests on which scholars you believe.

There is a clear consensus, the gospels are penned by anonymous authors. Names were added to them by the church over 200 years after Jesus died.

Also a consensus, they were penned 40-70 years after the death of Jesus, the originals are lost and only copies exist starting about 200 years after the death of Jesus.
 
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What are u getting at?
 
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I don't mean to be flippant, but you will find the answers to your questions in the New Testament.
Could you give me a cite? I'd be interested to know the rationale behind this limitation and the mechanism by which the Holy Spirit facilitates the power of God. Just a simple explanation would be fine.
 
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Could you give me a cite? I'd be interested to know the rationale behind this limitation and the mechanism by which the Holy Spirit facilitates the power of God. Just a simple explanation would be fine.
 
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