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How does Mary save us?
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In continuing with this, I am curious to know how Catholics think on the issue of God forgiving us. For example, I have been taught that it is the Father who forgives, and that it is Christ who is the Mediator/Intercessor between us and the Father. One example was when Christ was on the cross. Some of His last words were, "Father, forgive them..."
I guess I am in a dilema with how to interpret what has been voted into the Catholic Canon, and how to decipher the Catholic traditions and all.
So, for the sake of a non-Catholic, could anyone help me out using the 66 book Protestant version?
I guess I am in a dilema with how to interpret what has been voted into the Catholic Canon, and how to decipher the Catholic traditions and all.
So, for the sake of a non-Catholic, could anyone help me out using the 66 book Protestant version?
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.Larry said:
God forgives, but He also gives his Church, the body of Christ authority to pronounce forgiveness.
(Matthew 16:18)
17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
( John 20:23)
22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
Jesus also gave Peter and the Apostles a pastoral and teaching Authority, to be exercised within a visible church.
John 21.15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs." 16 A second time he said to him, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, "Do you love me?" And he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." Jesus said to him, "Feed my sheep.
This idea is reinforced by Jesus statements to Peter in Luke 22:31-32 which say:
31 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;
32 but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when
once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers."
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Rom. 11:13-14 - I magnify my ministry to make the Jews jealous and thus save some of them. Paul says that he is the one doing the saving, but he really means that he participates in Christ's work of salvation.
1 Cor. 7:16 - Paul indicates that a wife can save her husband and vice versa. We are lesser mediators in Christ's salvific work.
1 Cor. 9:22 - Paul says he has become all things to men that he might save some. Only God saves, but His children participate in their salvation.
1 Tim. 4:16 - you will save both yourself and your hearers. Christ is the only Savior, but He wants us to participate, for we are members of His body.
James 5:20 - whoever brings back a sinner will save his soul from death. We are saviors in the Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 22-23 - we are instructed to save some people, by snatching them out of the fire. We participation in our salvation and in the salvation of others.
Prov. 16:6 - by love and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for. We can participate in Christ's atonement through our love and faith.
1 Cor. 7:16 - Paul indicates that a wife can save her husband and vice versa. We are lesser mediators in Christ's salvific work.
1 Cor. 9:22 - Paul says he has become all things to men that he might save some. Only God saves, but His children participate in their salvation.
1 Tim. 4:16 - you will save both yourself and your hearers. Christ is the only Savior, but He wants us to participate, for we are members of His body.
James 5:20 - whoever brings back a sinner will save his soul from death. We are saviors in the Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 22-23 - we are instructed to save some people, by snatching them out of the fire. We participation in our salvation and in the salvation of others.
Prov. 16:6 - by love and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for. We can participate in Christ's atonement through our love and faith.
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Hi LarryLarry said:
I am glad you are here asking questions and really open to understanding the truth . . it is quite an experience to have some things you have always believed to be true shown to fall short . .
When it comes to forgiveness, I know what you are talking about. As a Protestant Christian, I always wondered if I should just pray to the Father for forgiveness or could I ask Jesus too? Did it matter?
We see Christ as the intercessor and mediator in the scriptures . . we also see Him with the authority to forgive sins as well . .
If we just look at the Protestant bible of 66 books we see Jesus having the authority to forgive sins . .
Power here speaks of authority . . That the Father has given and shares with the Son the authority to forgive sins is evident . .
It is interesting that the Son, Jesus, chose to share this authority with the Apostles as well:
One of the oldest prayers in the Church is the Kyrie Eleison:
Kyrie Eleison
Christe Eleison
Kyrie Eleison
Lord have mercy
Christ have mercy
Lord have mercy
Peace in Him!
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His questions were straight-forward and perfect for the OBOB forum.
Very polite, Larry.
God Bless, and welcome to CF.
Neal
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Thank you all for the welcomes and for answering my questions. I now have a better understanding of why you believe what you believe, in regards to Mary. 
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Hi LarryLarry said:Thank you all for the welcomes and for answering my questions. I now have a better understanding of why you believe what you believe, in regards to Mary.
Please feel free to ask questions any time you like . .we are happy to help!
Peace in Him!
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