I'd like to know everyone's opinions, especially religious people's, because of all that stuff with John Lennon...
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How do you view the Beatles?
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They were musically great. Especially from the world's point of view. It's difficult for even Christian music fans to ignore them.
John Lennon gave the group a dark quality, both in his music and his spirit. There was a lot of negativity in the things he wrote about. Even his version of love was focused on erotic and brotherly love. He probably knew nothing about "agape" love. He lived, and probably died, in darkness.
John Lennon gave the group a dark quality, both in his music and his spirit. There was a lot of negativity in the things he wrote about. Even his version of love was focused on erotic and brotherly love. He probably knew nothing about "agape" love. He lived, and probably died, in darkness.
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Nienor
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I love The Beatles. They have some really good stuff and while its not all great you have to give them some credit for what they did for the musical world.
I have no problem with John Lennon - he's my favorite Beatle.
I have no problem with John Lennon - he's my favorite Beatle.
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They are probably two of the best songwriters of their era. Their music (thanks to their producers) was amazing and groundbreaking. There are very few things that the beatles didn't have a hand in getting started (it was thought the very first use of feedback in a recording was at the beginning of "I feel fine"). and they dabbled in a lot of strange and alien songs.
I think it's a shame when people only bother to listen to "hey jude" "let it be" and all that crap.
Pick up revolver, let it be, abbey road. THAT stuff is unique
I think it's a shame when people only bother to listen to "hey jude" "let it be" and all that crap.
Pick up revolver, let it be, abbey road. THAT stuff is unique
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word.rambot said:
i was watching the drama students practice "beatles on broadway" this evening. Despite some of the performers' lack of singing talent, watching them sing and dance to the music reminded me how i feel about the beatles music.
and when i walked out, i looked at my friend and said, "the beatles were sooooooo good."
so i guess that's what i think about them.
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allen_the_music_man
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My boss at work loves the Beatles and every day I go in, he's got the same songs playing over and over and over again. So, I'm kinda "done" with the Beatles, you know what I mean?
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The Theory
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Wow, The Beatles.
I will admit that I have never gone through a period of life where they were my favorite band. However, you can't truely look at what they did-- and what they spawned-- and say they suck or were just a pop band.
They could play their instruments well, they could compose one heckuva song, and they didn't allow success or fame to impede their creativity. I mean, they did some VERY unusual things that even in today's pop culture are viewed as strange.
Of course, with my musical tastes leaning more the strange/avant garde route, I can go to songs like "Wild Honey Pie" and see what might have inspired artists like The Residents. And WHP isn't even an isolated incident.
I will admit that I have never gone through a period of life where they were my favorite band. However, you can't truely look at what they did-- and what they spawned-- and say they suck or were just a pop band.
They could play their instruments well, they could compose one heckuva song, and they didn't allow success or fame to impede their creativity. I mean, they did some VERY unusual things that even in today's pop culture are viewed as strange.
Of course, with my musical tastes leaning more the strange/avant garde route, I can go to songs like "Wild Honey Pie" and see what might have inspired artists like The Residents. And WHP isn't even an isolated incident.
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The Beatles are my fav band of all time....i was never a big john lennon fan, because of his stuff. but for me the music was so good that i just let it go..i prefer there latter stuff to they're earlier stuff
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and let me also add:
i have a hard time taking anyone's musical opinions seriously when they say that the beatles "suck". There's not many statements that warrant me overlooking someone's viewpoint, and writing them off as an idiot. But when someone says that "the beatles suck", i immediately know that they're stupid and/or just close-minded.
btw, i think paul is my favorite beatle. even now his stuff is really good... Chaos and Creation is a really great record.
you don't have to like the beatles to be a respectable person, but you have to know that they didn't suck.
i have a hard time taking anyone's musical opinions seriously when they say that the beatles "suck". There's not many statements that warrant me overlooking someone's viewpoint, and writing them off as an idiot. But when someone says that "the beatles suck", i immediately know that they're stupid and/or just close-minded.
btw, i think paul is my favorite beatle. even now his stuff is really good... Chaos and Creation is a really great record.
you don't have to like the beatles to be a respectable person, but you have to know that they didn't suck.
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Amélie Unbound
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I love the Beatles. I think that John was messed up in a lot of ways, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a musical genius.
He is certainly not my favourite Beatle, but I nonetheless appreciate his talent.
He is certainly not my favourite Beatle, but I nonetheless appreciate his talent.
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Amélie Unbound
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By the way, speaking of the Beatles, if I have my facts straight, I believe Paul turns 64 three days from now. I can't help wondering what he thinks of the lyrics to When I'm Sixty-Four now! 
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Lederhosen said:
over-rated.
doesn't mean i don't like some of their songs by any means, they are just far from a favorite band, or a band that i listen to a lot, and i think after 40 plus years down the road, they are just over-rated now. shows they had a huge effect, but their music doesn't reach all ears of listeners to say the least.
i really don't set apart the Beatles...meaning which one is my fav. i have a solo album of John Lennon, and it isn't bad at all. just a man with views of his own singing about them.
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Nienor
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Especially since he just got divorced againOrchard said:By the way, speaking of the Beatles, if I have my facts straight, I believe Paul turns 64 three days from now. I can't help wondering what he thinks of the lyrics to When I'm Sixty-Four now!
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AFallingStar
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I don't love their music or anything, but I do think they were talented, and their contribution to music was pretty big.
I don't really have a problem with Lennon. I love his song "Imagine". It can be kind of a depressing song, but at least it's music (compared to a lot of today's "music"...).
I don't really have a problem with Lennon. I love his song "Imagine". It can be kind of a depressing song, but at least it's music (compared to a lot of today's "music"...).
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Some people thought John was better than Paul, musically. In some ways there was some truth to that because he was the founding member.
But Paul helped John's music more than John helped Paul. Paul also had more great post Beatles music than John did.
But Paul helped John's music more than John helped Paul. Paul also had more great post Beatles music than John did.
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nadroj1985
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The Beatles' talent and influence are both really overrated. At the same time, they weren't bad... when I realized how overrated they were, I hated them in backlash for a while, but they actually wrote a few legitimately good songs. The main problem is that every other person seems to think that everything they committed to wax was a bonafide work of genius. Gah....
As for Lennon's anti-religion thing... who really cares? His only real statement against it was "Imagine," which is nothing more than childish utopian crap, IMO (though set to a good melody, I must admit).
As for Lennon's anti-religion thing... who really cares? His only real statement against it was "Imagine," which is nothing more than childish utopian crap, IMO (though set to a good melody, I must admit).
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Rufus T Firefly
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Agree with you 100% about Imagine, the song I hate above all others, I think, apart from the smug bucket of drool that is our national anthem.
As for the Beatles themselves, I think that only one of them (McCartney) was a brilliant player of his instrument, though Ringo as a drummer is, IMHO, vastly underrated.
As songwriters, yeah, they were pretty good; I remember the days when you were either a Beatles fan or a Stones fan (not that you couldn't like the other), but I was always more of a Kinks and Who fan, because of the songwriting genius of Ray Davies and Pete Townshend (and let's not forget John Entwistle, described by Dave Marsh as having the misfortune to be a good songwriter in a band that had a great one. Sort of Stuart MacGill to Townshend's Shane Warne - cricket lovers will understand). Me mouth runneth over, sorry.
Back to the Beatles. As for albums, I'd say Help, Rubber Soul and Revolver are my favourites, though there are some great songs on earlier albums - No Reply from Beatles for Sale, is probably my all time favourite of theirs.
Sgt Pepper is, to me, the start of the downward spiral. MagMystTour is pretty lame, I've never heard the White album all the way through and I don't feel any the poorer for that, I think Abbey Rd is undilute crap (apart from Come Together), and I couldn't be bothered with the rest.
I've had a theory that the decline is somehow connected with McCartney becoming the dominant force in the band, but I don't hold to this opinion so strenuously that I think it's worth arguing about.
As for the Beatles themselves, I think that only one of them (McCartney) was a brilliant player of his instrument, though Ringo as a drummer is, IMHO, vastly underrated.
As songwriters, yeah, they were pretty good; I remember the days when you were either a Beatles fan or a Stones fan (not that you couldn't like the other), but I was always more of a Kinks and Who fan, because of the songwriting genius of Ray Davies and Pete Townshend (and let's not forget John Entwistle, described by Dave Marsh as having the misfortune to be a good songwriter in a band that had a great one. Sort of Stuart MacGill to Townshend's Shane Warne - cricket lovers will understand). Me mouth runneth over, sorry.
Back to the Beatles. As for albums, I'd say Help, Rubber Soul and Revolver are my favourites, though there are some great songs on earlier albums - No Reply from Beatles for Sale, is probably my all time favourite of theirs.
Sgt Pepper is, to me, the start of the downward spiral. MagMystTour is pretty lame, I've never heard the White album all the way through and I don't feel any the poorer for that, I think Abbey Rd is undilute crap (apart from Come Together), and I couldn't be bothered with the rest.
I've had a theory that the decline is somehow connected with McCartney becoming the dominant force in the band, but I don't hold to this opinion so strenuously that I think it's worth arguing about.
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