How do you interpret these verses?

[Rafael]

I believe you are reading Christian theology into Paul. Paul was not christian, he was a practicing Jew. And he said that the Gentles were brought into Israel, not the other way around. The New covenant is not made with the church or with some etheral replacement of the church, it is made with Israel and Judah, the Northern and southern kingdoms.

Jer 31:
31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The inclusion of Eunucks dones not abolish the the old covenant, it opens it further. The disadvantaged has always had a place in the comunity of faith even the strangers (Gentiles). Messiah Yeshua levels the distinctions of races and classes of people, so that all can be part of the poeple of Israel.

Without going into too much detail, you must realize that the prophets that were canonized in the Hebrew scripture were proven and accepted as true prophets and accepted that the Lord was speaking through them.



No, they are aithful Israel, and what they are faithful in is not only knowledge that Yeshua is Messiah but they are faithful and keep the commandments of God as well. See Rev 12:17 and 14:12, almong with an abundance of other scriptures. Even Messiah says "If you love me then keep my commandments."

I have that same verse marked in the New Testament, so it is a second witness:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Besides a spiritual Israel there is and always will be a physical Israel, and I think that most do not know who Israel is to this day in the Church. I think that the part of the ecclesia that the Church might be mainly made up of would be those 10 lost tribes of Israel with Ephraim the head as God's "firsborn" son, just as Jeremiah affirms in 31:9.

All the people of both houses are called Israelites, but not all are Jews, and I think many do not recognize the difference between Israel and house of Israel. The house of Israel is only part of the whole of Israel which includes all the branches, natural and wild.

Notice, again, that the covenant promise is given to the two houses of Israel specifically by the Holy Spirit's inspiration - quoting Jeremiah 31:31 in Hebrews 8:6-10

 

[Rafael]

I have read Batya Wootens books and materials, and I think there is room for this. Certainly in this world there is the possibility that some Gentiles are Ephamites. However I say again, that we must be careful to understand that ethnicity whether full Jewish or a single drop from some distant relative, it bears no weight. What matters is a changed heart. We are adopted sons, Like Epraim and Menassah. They were born to a Gentile Pagan mother but Jacob takes them upon his knee and adopts them, making them full heirs. Likewise we are adopted, into faith through Messiah Yeshua, so our petigree does not matter. What matters is our faithfulness through obedience. The true believers "obey the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus the Christ." Rev 12:17 We trust (have faith) that what Yeshua did for us (Gentiles included) is suffecient for all things.

I agree, completely with you, Charles, but I think that much is missed without understanding this as God's plan, and that it is key that the two houses recognize who they are and reunite again. Does the ecclesia of believers know who Israel is in America? I would say no, and so how then would they know who they are and why it is important to understand their brother Judah? As you mentioned earlier, there will be 12 gates into Jerusalem, and whether people realize it or not, Jerusalem will be their home forever with God, and they will enter by one of those gates. I often wonder if the new name we receive on a white stone will identify us with one of the tribes so we will know which gate to enter.
When Hosea prophecied to Ephraim, God spoke that they would be given over to the Gentiles and swallowed up, not remembering who they were or even remember their God, as if they were not His people, but they would someday become sons of the Living God. To me, this is too wonderful to not know, and it does not exclude anyone, but does point out the differences between Judah and Ephraim that exist even to this day and are poping up right here as we speak. The two houses still have the same problem that caused them to seperate so long ago after Solomons death. They argue about who is preeminent to the king, and instead of obeying God, they fell into sin while apart. Even their sins spelled out the type of punishment that came when they were carried away into captivity and the duration of it.
God bless...

 

[CharlesYTK]

raphe,

Thing is much of the Church is still living by the doctrines of the so called church fathers, which is anti-semitic and claims believers in messiah have no connection to Gods laws or to their Jewish brothers. Those very same church fathers, belonged to the group from which potestantism separated from because it did not agree on its doctrines. After separating, the protestants went right back and reaffirmed the majority of those doctrines for which it separated in the first place. They do this because they think these men were something special and lived in the presence of Messiah and took instruction from him. But these fellows lived in the 2-4th centuries and had really corrupt ideas.

The traditions of men will not yield even in the presence of overwhelming scriptural evidence aginst it.

Blessing to you,

 

[Remnant]

Hi folks, I’m back….Still think you have missed the point. The flesh has been done away with: We no longer worship God as flesh (the law) but with Spirit (faith). The things of the flesh have been done away with.

Gal 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Rom 7:5-6
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

1 Cor 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Gal 3:5

There is no longer any ‘fleshly nation’.

Eph 2:15-22
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

So now we who worship the Most High and His Son are now counted as one of the Twelve….saints, kings and priests to serve Him.

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Rafael]

Hi folks, I’m back….Still think you have missed the point. The flesh has been done away with: We no longer worship God as flesh (the law) but with Spirit (faith). The things of the flesh have been done away with.

Gal 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Rom 7:5-6
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

1 Cor 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Gal 3:5

There is no longer any ‘fleshly nation’.

Eph 2:15-22
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

So now we who worship the Most High and His Son are now counted as one of the Twelve….saints, kings and priests to serve Him.

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Again, I think that this spiritualizes too much to say -

The flesh has been done away with

God seeks those that worship Him in spirit and in truth. In truth, we do have bodies that have to be controlled by the spirit.
Of course we are a spiritual nation, BUT we cannot be like the Nicolations and sin with these bodies as though they do not count. They are to be used as intruments of God and sacrificed to Him as Romans 12:1 admonishes us in renewing our minds towards the not serving the flesh, but the Spirit.

The law is spiritual:

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin.

Romans 15:27 They were pleased to do this, and indeed they owe it to them; for if the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in material things.

1 Corinthians 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.

So there is a balance of spirit and flesh. One without the other is out of balance. otherwise God would not prepare a new heavens and earth. The physical is important to God or He would not have us in these bodies and go to prepare new ones for us. If the law was not spiritual, then why would God write it upon our hearts in the New Covenant?

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

[CharlesYTK]

Hi folks, I’m back….Still think you have missed the point. The flesh has been done away with: We no longer worship God as flesh (the law) but with Spirit (faith). The things of the flesh have been done away with.

Gal 3:5
He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Rom 7:5-6
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

1 Cor 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Gal 3:5

There is no longer any ‘fleshly nation’.

Eph 2:15-22
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

So now we who worship the Most High and His Son are now counted as one of the Twelve….saints, kings and priests to serve Him.

Rev 1:6
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I think you are making a good case for Church doctrine. You use scripture just as they have taught you. But now lets consider Eph 2. What was torn down, the law, or the emnity that was occasioned by the law through ordinances? It is the emnity. What is Paul talking about? Beginning with the Maccabees about 160 BC it became a requiement that all who would be part of Israel, including Gentiles, must undergo a conversion ritual making them Jews, and part of this was circumcision. Pauls gospel is that of Gentile inclusion without this Rabbinical conversion. The wall of Partition is doctrine. The physical wall of separation was built upon this false doctrine of the Maccabees. It was the doctrine created by missuse of the law (Ordinance is man made hedges added to the law), that was torn own, (in fact the physical wall was still standing when Paul wrote this). So it was not the law, not the Torah that was torn down by Yeshua, it was the doctrine of men that kept the Gentiles at a distance and prevented them from drawing near to God.

Now put it back into context and read it the way Paul meant it and you can see that it was the removal of Rabbinical conversion that was torn down. Shall we?

[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. [18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


The rest of this I shall answer with this: Man is not destined to be in an etheral existance that is not flesh. In the future the righteous are resurrected in flesh bodies, howbeit immortal and glorified flesh, of the Kind that Adam had before the fall and the kind that Yeshua had after the resurrection. We shall be like Him it says. He is flesh, He eats he breaths. The Kingdom that is comming is here on earth not in the sky or in heaven. It is Gods rule on the earth.

God created man to live on the earth, he fellowshipped with Adam on the earth, he saved man on the earth through messiah, he resurrects us from the earth and establishes a kingdom on earth from Jerusalem. We will have flesh, but that flesh will no longer be plagued by Satan, he will be bound, and by the sinful nature, it will be removed. So how do we live in a way that gives glory to God and how do we worship him in spirit and also in truth? By doing what he tells us to do, by living as sons. Torah tells us how that is supposed to look.

In the Kingdom it says the Torah will go forth from zion and the word of the lord from Jerusalem. And his mountain will be established as the premeier of all the mountains and all the nations of the earth shall flow unto it and there he will teach us his marvelous ways (Torah life, righteousnes). Do you know what it means to be righteous? The word righteous means in Hebrew: to obey the commandments of God, to be obedient to divine law. (Check your strongs for this) Are you made to be righteous in Messiah or are you made to be sinful and rebellious?

We worship him in spirit and in truth when we obey his laws from a changed heart, from our new nature that is formed by Christ in us. This is different from what Judaism had become, which was a system of self righteouness through legalistic observance of Torah commands. They were claining their own salvation through ethnicity and law keping, (legalism). It is not possible so God says, I am sick of you sacrifices and the aroma makes me sick! Why, because they were not doing it from a converted heart. They were living like the devil and oppressing the poor and then bringing their offering like it was going to buy their way into God. This was the sin of legalism. God says No Way! You must bring your offerings woth a pure heart and clean hands. Keep the law, by living the law in your own lives. This is worshipping in spirit and in truth. James summed it up this way.

JA 2: [14] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? [15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, [16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? [17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. [18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. [19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. [20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

 

[CharlesYTK]

Eph 2: [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. [18] For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.


Gal 6: [15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. [16] And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


I am afraid I wholeheartedly disagree as well. Pauls Gospel which is specific to the Gentiles is all about Gentile iclusion into Israel without regard to ethnicity or requirements of abinical conversion rituals which supposedly changes ones ethnicity to Jewish. Pauls Gospel is Gen 12, the promise to Abraham that through his one special seed Messiah, all the nations would be gathered into the people of God and made to be one.

Gal 3: [14] That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. [15] Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. [16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.. . . [28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. [29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Colossians]

CharlesYTK,

Paul was not christian, he was a practicing Jew.
No he wasn't: he was a Christian.
Which is why he also said "to the Jew I became as a Jew". (In other words, he was no longer acting as one, and had to revert to such when attempting to be "all things to all men")

 

[CharlesYTK]

CharlesYTK,

Paul was not christian, he was a practicing Jew.
No he wasn't: he was a Christian.
Which is why he also said "to the Jew I became as a Jew". (In other words, he was no longer acting as one, and had to revert to such when attempting to be "all things to all men")

What you are accusing Paul of is living a lie and presenting himself falsely inorder to manipulate people. I totally disagre with this position of appeasing and deception. Paul was honest and willing to accept emprisionment and death to preserve the truth. Paul lived all his life as a Torah observant Jew. His testimony of himself is: Acts 28 [17] And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers,

Look at the record. Paul is anxious to meet with the other believers to take part in the festival of Shavuot, He instructs the church at cornith in how to correctly practice the Passover and the feast of unleavened bread. He enters a natzarite vow including all the sacrifices. He circumcises Timothy. Do these sound like Christian things or Jewish things?

Paul says he became AS all men for the sake of the Gospel. This means that he entered into their situation, had deep empathy for them, lived among them in their own situations for the sake of the Gospel. And what IS Pauls Gospel? That gentiles have received salvation same as the Jews through Messiah Yeshua, that they are now grafted INTO ISRAEL, and made to be part of the covenants and commonwealth of Israel. The Gentiles were brought into Judaism, and not the other way around. If you take a look at the requirements of Gentiles who are entering the faith, (Entering what faith? Judaism, through faith in Messiah) that they are to obey four Kosher laws of purity, AND they are to seek out the synagogues in their own towns on SABBATH and to study Moses (Torah, law).
Act 20: [20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

The disciples are not burened with their continuing wekly instruction. They are to get their instrucions in their own town over time wek by week.

 

[Remnant]

Scripture says:


John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Rom 8:1-4
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:13-14
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 Cor 1:26-29
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
27 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

1 Cor 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Cor 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


2 Cor 10:3-6
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Gal 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

And there is much more that can be said of the matter.

 

[Rafael]

Scripture says:


John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Rom 8:1-4
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:13-14
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 Cor 1:26-29
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
27 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

1 Cor 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Cor 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


2 Cor 10:3-6
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Gal 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

And there is much more that can be said of the matter.

Who does this verse say the covenant of God is to? Why didn't the Holy Spirit just say Israel? It is because God has warned us to not replace the branches through our pride, if you will examine Romans 11:18-26. Of course all your verses explain the fallen flesh and the spirit, but they do not discount the physical natural branches of Israel as though they were of no significance? All are one in Christ, yes, but we are admonished to not boast against the natural branches of whom are prophecied to be restored along with the grafted in branches.

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how
much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was
established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had
been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith
the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and
with the house of Judah:

Romans 11:18 But you must be careful not to brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. Remember, you are just a branch, not the root.
19 "Well," you may say, "those branches were broken off to make room for me."
20 Yes, but remember—those branches, the Jews, were broken off because they didn’t believe God, and you are there because you do believe. Don’t think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen.
21 For if God did not spare the branches he put there in the first place, he won’t spare you either.
22 Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe to those who disobeyed, but kind to you as you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off.
23 And if the Jews turn from their unbelief, God will graft them back into the tree again. He has the power to do it.
24 For if God was willing to take you who were, by nature, branches from a wild olive tree and graft you into his own good tree—a very unusual thing to do—he will be far more eager to graft the Jews back into the tree where they belong.
25 I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud and start bragging. Some of the Jews have hard hearts, but this will last only until the complete number of Gentiles comes to Christ.
26 And so all Israel will be saved. Do you remember what the prophets said about this? "A Deliverer will come from Jerusalem, and he will turn Israel from all ungodliness.
27 And then I will keep my covenant with them and take away their sins."

 

[Remnant]

Please do not be offended in what I’m trying to show. I am not discounting the fact of the promises made to Israel and Judah. What I am saying, and what Paul had said in Romans was that those covenants given to them are still and always will be in effect….but with one difference: They are now given to all who seek The Holy One of Israel.

Are there now, or will there be in the coming Kingdom two separate and distinct peoples? One of the Hebrews who passed over from Egypt to the Promised Land-- And a nation comprised of the uncircumcised Gentiles? No, of course not. We were all once uncircumcised and now through the Spirit have become circumcised and have inherited the promises. As scripture states through His Word:

John 17:21-23
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Was Jesus speaking for the Jewish Nation, or the Gentiles, or both?

He says THE WORLD.

Forgive me for being so presumptuous, but as Paul stated in Hebrews a new covenant was to be introduced; and as we are all aware now of what it is, we need to comprehend the full meaning of it. The answer lies in the opening statement of the thought, which is if there were no fault in the first, then there would be no need for the second. What does that mean? The law of course. He explained that with clarity in other writings. But it also has a different course of action now…..leading us to Christ. Then through the faith, submission and subjugation of ourselves, we will be led to obedience of those laws not by the flesh, but by Spirit. The old covenant passes away with the flesh and being replaced with a better covenant it still remains a schoolmaster to that point till we die with Christ on the tree; which of course after we are raised up in Him. Then what? Am I still Jew or Greek or Indian or……What? As Jesus said:

That they may be one, even as we are one……

 

[visionary]

The Apostle Paul declared directly in Romans why the law was given:

Rom 3:19-20 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight,

Sin is the trangression of the Law
Law is the definition of Sin

If I were to grap an apple off the tree and eat it, I would see no crime in it. Now if the tree belongs to some one else, then I have crossed the line and am now guilty of not only covetiousness, but stealing, thus am guilty of breaking two laws.

Where did I come to understand what was wrong with my thoughts and deeds in picking the apple and eating it. It came because of the law, then my guilty came as I know understood where I went wrong.

So it is with God's law....it is necessary as it is the teacher that brings us to Christ. Does that make it void once you get to Christ....NO.....because all the other laws that you have yet to learn, will also again bring you to Christ, in repentance, again teaching you more things out of the Law of God. We need the Law to bring convictions, and the Holy Spirit to inspire us to understand the depth of sin, in its roots, branches, and fruit so that we truly be abhorant of sin.

 

[Remnant]

Rom 8:2-4
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Now we walk after the ‘law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus’ (and law of righteousness). If we walked after the law of Moses:

Gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Gal 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

1 Cor 9:20-21
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Rom 2:25-3:1
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.