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How do you intepret this verse? (Col 1:24)

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ZiSunka

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geocajun said:
wow, I had never heard this before. I see so many churches proclaim themselves to be "Mennonite". Can you tell me more about this?
Check out some church history, even your own Catholic church history, and you will see that Catholic bishops in the Netherlands coined the term Mennonites to refer to those anabaptists that were being taught by an overseer (bishop) named Menno Simons, who was an ex-priest. It was a term of contempt, meant in the same way and tone that the word "papist" is used against your church. See the parallel? Mennonite, papist: ridiculing a group by debasing the name or title of their spiritual leader?

Eventually, some anabaptists, the ones who traced their heiritage to Switzerland and Holland mostly, accepted the name, unashamed of the contempt that it denoted, to mark the difference between them and the catholics who degraded and persecuted them. Until that point, they had no name.
 
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lambslove, I have checked out church history, which is why I am in the church I am in today.
If what you say is true, than Mennonite is no more a pejorative term than Lutheran, or Calvinist. It simply denotes the man whos teachings which you follow. This is not something contested by Lutherans, or Calvinists or Mennonites, however it is something contested by Catholics, who teach that Christ founded our Church, and we follow Christ. The Pope is just the vicar of Christ, but not the man which we follow. This is why the term papist, or romanist is pejorative. This is why we do not use the term to define our church, whereas lutherans, calvinists, a mennonites do.
 
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geocajun said:
lambslove, I have checked out church history, which is why I am in the church I am in today.
If what you say is true, than Mennonite is no more a pejorative term than Lutheran, or Calvinist. It simply denotes the man whos teachings which you follow. This is not something contested by Lutherans, or Calvinists or Mennonites, however it is something contested by Catholics, who teach that Christ founded our Church, and we follow Christ. The Pope is just the vicar of Christ, but not the man which we follow. This is why the term papist, or romanist is pejorative. This is why we do not use the term to define our church, whereas lutherans, calvinists, a mennonites do.
Christ founded our church, too, which is why the term Mennonite was perjorative. We do not trace our history back to Menno, but to Christ. Anabaptists found it offensive as catholics find papist to be offensive today. We did not choose the name, we just accepted it as "our cross to bear." ;) It reminds us of what we have suffered under the hands of the "papists."

And how well did you check out church history if you did not know this?
 
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lambslove, I just checked on the net, and did not find any source showing the source of the name mennonite being pejorative. could you provide one?
also, why derail my thread? This isn't a thread on church history, or persecution.. please dont turn it into one.

If you want to compare history notes, please start a thread in OBOB, and I'll be happy to show you the roots of the Catholic faith.
 
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geocajun said:
Thanks Red, is he Baptist?

Dr. MacArthur is pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California. He has written dozens of books and distributed millions of copies worldwide. In 1985, John became president of The Master's College, an accredited, four-year, liberal arts Christian college. In 1986, John founded The Master's Seminary.

Not all churches have Baptist in their titles now but they do fall under the Baptist belief. Dr. MacArthur is a well-respected pastor-teacher to the Baptist.

What he explains in the link that I posted is what the Baptist believe and teaches. It was is a long detailed explaination which would have taken a lot of space up in a post.

Even one of our moderators here at Christian Forums attends his college and paulewog is Baptist. :angel:

The link I provided should answer your question completely.
 
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geocajun said:
lambslove, I just checked on the net, and did not find any source showing the source of the name mennonite being pejorative. could you provide one?
also, why derail my thread? This isn't a thread on church history, or persecution.. please dont turn it into one.

If you want to compare history notes, please start a thread in OBOB, and I'll be happy to show you the roots of the Catholic faith.
I didn't turn it into a thread about persecution, you brought up the subject.

And I will never start a thread or post in OBOB again, too many attacks. But if you want to discuss it by PM, I'm fine with that.
 
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geocajun said:
Llolard, I read your post right up until the part where he said "Romanists" and then I quit and dismissed everything he had to say.

I have asked you a question which I would appreciate being answered with the charity and integrity befitting a disciple of Christ. I did not come here to be called names.
So far everyone else has been very kind to this Catholic in their responses, and I appreciate that.
You know what ? I am so sorry, I had no idea that that was in there. I read that thing through once before and I must have just skimmed by it. Please except my apology as I did not mean to offend you in any way.

Albert Barnes is generally a respected author, and I use his stuff all the time. I am embarrassed. Please forgive me.
 
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Lollard said:
You know what ? I am so sorry, I had no idea that that was in there. I read that thing through once before and I must have just skimmed by it. Please except my apology as I did not mean to offend you in any way.

Albert Barnes is generally a respected author, and I use his stuff all the time. I am embarrassed. Please forgive me.
very gracious of you to say that Lollard, thank you! I forgive you. :hug:
 
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geocajun said:
Can someone help me to understand what Baptists interpret this verse to mean?

Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church,


Thanks!

by the way, I am just gathering information here, not intened to start any sort of debate - so please do not be offended if I am not responsive.
Also if you can respond with some authoritative sources on Baptist theology that would be very helpful.
I have struggled with that verse for many years.
I think Paul saw the O.T sacrifices in a very radical light.
I think he was convinced that certain benefits would accrue from his life and death in suffering for Jesus. Not merely as an example of suffering but also as an intercessor for the Church of Jesus Christ. :amen:
 
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