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Featured How do you feel about climate change? Is it affecting our world negatively?

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by ilovejcsog, Sep 8, 2019.

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  1. yes

    15 vote(s)
    28.8%
  2. no

    14 vote(s)
    26.9%
  3. I don't know.

    8 vote(s)
    15.4%
  4. It's a farce

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  5. The climate is changing, but it's not man made

    4 vote(s)
    7.7%
  6. The climate is always changing

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  7. Of course we should not pollute, but the climate is under God's control

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  8. the devastation of the planet is man made

    7 vote(s)
    13.5%
  1. mothcorrupteth

    mothcorrupteth Old Whig Monarchist, Classically Realpolitik

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    It regularly used to be 90-100 degrees outside in summer when I was a kid. It still is. I just notice it more now because I'm an adult with a smaller surface area relative to my volume to shed heat through.

    As I've stated before in different threads, I think the evidence that global warming is anthropogenic is overstated. But as a conservative, my natural inclination is to assume that changing stuff carries more risk than reward. We were hunter-gatherers for several thousand years, and despite driving all the mammalian megafauna to extinction, we generally existed in equilibrium with our environment. Then we invented agriculture and the problems started. But then we (and by "we" I mean the classical liberals and not conservatives) invented mass industry, and the engineers in mass industry invented science fiction to romanticize the idea that their inventions would propel humanity into a state of perfection. 2001: A Space Odyssey. We ought to have stopped at agriculture. Enough rewards to make the risk worth it. But here we are. Thanks to an earlier iteration of progressives.

    Supposing global warming is anthropogenic, I doubt you can realistically curb it. The rewards matrix in our little game of Prisoner's Dilemma clearly suggests to China that it will suffer economically and thus geopolitically if it agrees to cooperate with the restrictions we set on it, and Russia actually has strategic incentives to accelerate climate change. Either way, I think Stanley Kubrick said it best that, even though man is not a noble savage, the ignoble savagery of the libertarian droogs is far preferable to the inhumanity of the authoritarian, coercive state. If the condition for saving our species is to make bovine flatulence illegal, I would just rather die eating delicious steak. Better to cut a life worth living short than to subsist on gluten-free salad, no matter how good poppyseed dressing gets.
     
  2. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    I feel like Greenland has something to offer underneath if all that ice melts, so we better figure out a way to purchase it.
     
  3. Messerve

    Messerve Well-Known Member

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    Well in regards to the whole meat causes global warming thing, which is popular right now, isn't it possible we could find a way to solve that issue by using less resources to produce meat and give the livestock something more agreeable to their stomachs? I mean, come on. We've done so many amazing things I really think banning meat is just the lamest, weakest answer imaginable. We're capable of more than that.

    Aside from that, how do I feel about climate change? Well, it was pleasantly warm today and I think it will be refreshingly cooler tonight. Nice how climate change works out like that. ^_^
     
  4. martymonster

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    I voted no, because you wouldn't want to reverse it....it's a natural cycle. God made climate change, would be a more accurate name for it.
     
  5. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    ANOTHER military base?
     
  6. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Soli Deo Gloria

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    What would the Kool-aid man say?
     
  7. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt.

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    I have wondered about the colored roofs also. I wonder why this has never been suggested? So where are all those that think there is no problem? I really would like to know where they are coming from.
     
  8. Lazarus Short

    Lazarus Short Well-Known Member

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    Climate changes constantly, in 100, 500 and 1000 year cycles. There are probably longer cycles, but those are the ones I know of. Climate swings from warm to cold and from wet to dry. The long-term trend is for a colder climate, as you can easily see in the green, averaged line in the diagram. Global-Warming-Cyclical.jpg
     
  9. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt.

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    I don't think they even offer white tiles for roofs. They didn't me when I got mine.
    Far be it from me to talk against Trump but I can't figure out why he is so against it. I can only think it is the money thing.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2019
  10. martymonster

    martymonster Veteran

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    Thanks for sharing this. This shall come in very handy!
     
  11. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    so do I cuz I hate cold weather . But I’m just an individual in a single species and the warmer winter is killing some of the trees because it doesn’t get cold enough for them to go dormant . When I was a little kid I hated rainy weather until my mother pointed out to me that without the rain watering them, the pretty flowers would all die . Every time I complain about the cold I remind myself that while I don’t like it other organisms need it.
     
  12. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt.

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    We should be able to put our heads together and figure out a way that we can each make a definite change for the better.:)
     
  13. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt.

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    I will take the cold any day. At least you can cover if you get cold. Here the average Summer includes 115 degrees and cooling down is almost impossible.
     
  14. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    Well I don’t have a yard to grow trees but , I’ll admit it , I’ve got too many houseplants;) . I’ve cut my electricity use way down by not using frivolous lighting and I’m trying to use a fan rather than AC but I’m probably going to have to change that when I get older as the hotter weather could kill me. NYC recycles because plastic waste is another serious problem.
     
  15. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt.

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    :)
     
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  16. ilovejcsog

    ilovejcsog I am a Christian mutt.

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    Somewhere here in AZ they have done away with the home recycle bins offered by the city. I guess they were losing money. I think individuals are doing their own recycling. I know I am although I do give the city my small plastic bottles:)
    As far as us coming up with a saving grace I meant with all the brains here on climate we should have an answer for the whole world to gain from:)
     
  17. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    The benefits don't last long at -40. We are built to survive heat better than cold.
     
  18. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    The Union of Concerned Scientists is doing climate change research and monitoring the governments suppression of information about global warming . Trump is only the latest ignorant denier in a long list of republican presidents. Which is ironic because Bush Sr was the one who helped put the original IPCC panel together on being told that this could become a problem back in the 80s

    Reading the IPCC reports is scary and reading about the suppression of this information is equally as scary . Of course NASA also does a lot of atmosphere and earth science . Which used to be on their website.
     
  19. Brightmoon

    Brightmoon Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.

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    I’ve got a biology degree . Honestly this scares the crap out of me . The reports coming back , the damage to the environment and the organisms on the planet (including us )means that we don’t have much time .
     
  20. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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