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How do you define salvation?

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It's important to use the Bible when defining words used by God. Some people have built whole belief systems on words defined by man, such as, Sunday is the Lord's day. I believe the word, salvation is one of those words.

The main purpose of salvation is the deliverence of sinners from the wrath of God to come.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

The Bible places salvation in three categories.

The first category is a position we have when we place a living faith in Christ.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God.

The moment we place our faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ He justifies us, which then places us in a saved position.

Romans 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

The second category of salvation is defined as a continued work in us.

1 Corinthians 15:1-2 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you believed in vain.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

The third category is seen in the end product of salvation, which is glorification.

Romans 8:17 and if children, then heirs heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

Romans 13:11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.

1 Peter 1:5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

This whole work of salvation is contingent on a living faith.

Contingent: possible but not certain to occur;

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

At any point of our walk with Christ, can our faith be destroyed?

2 Peter 2:20-21 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Hebrews 3:12-14 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today,'' lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Timothy 1:19 Cling tightly to your faith in Christ and always keep your conscience clear, doing what you know is right. For some people have disobeyed their consciences and have deliberately done what they knew was wrong. It isn't surprising that soon they lost their faith in Christ after defying God like that.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 O Timothy! Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and vain babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge by professing it, some have strayed concerning the faith. Grace be with you. Amen.

2 Peter 3:17 So, dear , since you already know these things, guard them. Then you won't fall away from your safe position. You could be carried away by the error of lawless people.

Salvation is a gift from God that needs to be cared for and appreciated.

Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,

God gives us His Spirit to bless us and guide us through this evil world. The Spirit of God helps us know the right choices to make based on His will and empowers us to do so. Having the Spirit is not assurance of salvation if we reject the only means by which God uses to save us.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
 
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This i-bully tactics seems comical to me........
(Ive taken a few weeks off, I wonder whoelse could have you two in such a panic)



In relating to the definition of salvation, there are many things people can say.

Salvation is a plan of God to save the world. (John 3:16)
 
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This i-bully tactics seems comical to me........
(Ive took a few weeks off, I wonder whoelse could have you two in such a panic)

In relating to the definition of salvation, there are many things people can say.

Salvation is a plan of God to save the world. (John 3:16)

Nice skirt of the truth...
 
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Nice skirt of the truth...
As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Since your threads are traps for confusion rather than respectful dialog. I will create new threads that will stay on topic.
 
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As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Since your threads are traps for confusion rather than respectful dialog. I will create new threads that will stay on topic.

He listed scripture Crib that you cannot refute... that is what he meant by skirting.
 
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As usual, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Since your threads are traps for confusion rather than respectful dialog. I will create new threads that will stay on topic.

I think your in the wrong section if your accusing k4c's thread are trap for confusion..remember that you are in the adventist section, so its just normal if we post or k4c will post a thread here that we think its the truth..stop accusing people here that they post confusing threads.
Maybe you can go to the right section of this board that you think that theres no trap for confusion..
 
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Some people have built whole belief systems on words defined by man, such as, Sunday is the Lord's day.
This keeps coming up, but I'm not sure who actually believes this. The sabbath was the seventh day, not the first. Is it your claim that Saturday is the Lord's Day?


This whole work of salvation is contingent on a living faith.
Depending on your definition of "living faith," this is likely where we will part company.

Salvation is a gift from God that needs to be cared for and appreciated.
So it's a conditional gift?

At any point of our walk with Christ, can our faith be destroyed?
Faith is also a gift. Why would we fear that it will be taken away? Wnder what circumstances would it be taken away?

Having the Spirit is not assurance of salvation if we reject the only means by which God uses to save us.
We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit guarantees what is to come.


How easy is it to "fall away?" Do we have cause for fear?


BFA
 
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This keeps coming up, but I'm not sure who actually believes this. The sabbath was the seventh day, not the first. Is it your claim that Saturday is the Lord's Day?


Don't close your eyes to the truth.

Depending on your definition of "living faith," this is likely where we will part company.

It's either alive or dead.

So it's a conditional gift?

If I freely give you a car you have to take care of it.

Faith is also a gift. Why would we fear that it will be taken away? Wnder what circumstances would it be taken away?

I can give you a watch as a gift but you won't know what time it is until you look at it.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit guarantees what is to come.

My VCR has a seal that guarantees it unless I break that seal then it makes the guarantee void.


How easy is it to "fall away?" Do we have cause for fear?

It's your choice to fall away.
 
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This keeps coming up, but I'm not sure who actually believes this. The sabbath was the seventh day, not the first. Is it your claim that Saturday is the Lord's Day?

Matt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


So it's a conditional gift?

Just as the old covenant was a contract with conditions, so is the new. God's Love, Mercy and Grace are always dependent upon our wanting them and the gift of Salvation we can accept or reject.

Faith is also a gift. Why would we fear that it will be taken away? Wnder what circumstances would it be taken away?

It is never taken away so much as we reject it and do not walk therein.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit guarantees what is to come.

This may be splitting hairs but the Word is our guarantee...


How easy is it to "fall away?" Do we have cause for fear?

We should always be fearful of our carnal hearts and never be smugly secure. How many of God's people have fallen and could have stayed their course... Moses, David, Peter and countless millions of believers have that choice to make everytime temptation is embraced and we sin. If we don't repent and ask for forgiveness, our unrepentent state will be easier to compromise the next time... and the next, until we have completely walked away from God.


BFA

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It's important to use the Bible when defining words used by God. Some people have built whole belief systems on words defined by man, such as, Sunday is the Lord's day. I believe the word, salvation is one of those words.
Fact is, you're talking about "an explanation of salvation" rather than "defining salvation."
We find definitions of Hebrew and Greek texts by looking up the transliterations.
A definition of an english word is found in English dictionary, bible dictionary or other reference of the language.

Hebrew defintion of salvation is....
yĕshuw`ah


Outline of Biblical Usage
1) salvation, deliverance
a) welfare, prosperity
b) deliverance
c) salvation (by God)
d) victory



Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 78
AV — salvation 65, help 4, deliverance 3, health 3, save 1, saving 1, welfare 1


Greek definition of salvation is.....sōtēria

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
a) deliverance from the molestation of enemies
b) in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the souls safety or salvation
1) of Messianic salvation
2) salvation as the present possession of all true Christians
3) future salvation, the sum of benefits and blessings which the Christians, redeemed from all earthly ills, will enjoy after the visible return of Christ from heaven in the consummated and eternal kingdom of God.

Scripture describes a fourfold salvation: saved from the penalty, power, presence and the pleasure of sin. (cf. Arthur W. Pink, A Fourfold Salvation)


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 45
AV — salvation 40, the (one) be saved 1, deliver + 1325 1, health 1, saving 1, that (one) be saved + 1519 1



The confusion I'm speaking of is A); What SDA claims to believe about salvation are also words defined by man.
Seventh-day Adventists hold to the Reformation view of salvation. We are saved by Grace through faith. This is to say that salvation is a gift of God given freely by his gracious acts toward us, not because of any merit on the part of the sinner, or any obligation on His part, but solely because of His love for us and our great need as members of a sinful race....... Salvation Index. FILE: index.htm

B)Another confusing issue is ........SDA belief system is the only ones making arguments about a certian day to worship...."the Lord's day". They say"what day is the Sabbath?", as an ice breaker" to claim that Sunday is a false day of worship. (Certain members get mad at me for telling the truth about their words. I have vowed to be civil but those who spread questionable teaching dont respond to finding on thier quotes.)

Catholic vaults holds the actual written historic documents of when and by whom "the Lord's day" was recorded.
Most protestants dont even think about a day being extra special.
The scriptual fact is; Paul made it clear that special days was a choice between a man and God.

C) SDA dont try to accurately quote why we claim to worship on Sundays, they rather quote from 1800s or unoffical sources that put weight on individuals rather that official facts. The Catholic Catichism remain unchanged that they followed the Apostles traditions of keeping Sundays rather that Judiazing. This means that no change from Apostles tradition. This means that Jews kept Sabbath and Christian kept Sunday as a day of worship. Archive proves that both days were kept.

D) SDA teachings are filled to anger toward other Churches that dont share their faith....WHY?????....
(Personally I'm constantly being attackeed here for trying to defend false claims about what I believe.......... I worship with SDA some Saturdays and I worship on Sundays according to my faith. I find that SDA are guilty of attacks on Sunday churches.
The main purpose of salvation is the deliverence of sinners from the wrath of God to come.
I agree with that statement because it's truth...
The Bible places salvation in three categories.
Doh!!! really?
The first category is a position we have when we place a living faith in Christ.

Amen, this is true but is this really what SDA teach?
The moment we place our faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ He justifies us, which then places us in a saved position.
Amen again, but is this really what SDA teach?
Act 13:39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
 
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