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How do you decide if something is factual?

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If they were that naïve, wouldn't they change their mind if they saw someone drown?

Really, AV? Is that the best you've got? You really think they'd see someone drown and decide to never touch water again and die of dehydration?
 
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Really, AV? Is that the best you've got?
It's better than your assumption that they would conclude water was the source of life.
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You really think they'd see someone drown and decide to never touch water again and die of dehydration?
I didn't say that.

I asked if they would change their mind about water being the source of life if they saw someone drown.

I'm sure they would still drink it, for crying out loud.

And for the record, according to the etymology of the word, it is a description of what it looks like, not what it does.
 
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It's better than your assumption that they would conclude water was the source of life.

Yeah, because of course people living in a desert would NEVER see any people or animals die from lack of water, would they? They sure wouldn't see that life flourished where there was a source of water, would they? Of course not.

I didn't say that.

I asked if they would change their mind about water being the source of life if they saw someone drown.

I'm sure they would still drink it, for crying out loud.

Minor details. They would still understand that water was required for life, even if they saw someone drown.

And for the record, according to the etymology of the word, it is a description of what it looks like, not what it does.

Which word? Water? Drown? Source? Life? What are you talking about here? Please be clear.
 
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Aman:>>Sure it does:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Wak:>>You are ignoring the next verse.

I'll give you 3 strikes.
And then what? I die? You stop talking? The Moon falls to the Earth? The skies tear themselves apart?
It's a pronoun! How are you getting all this from pronouns (which are distinctly hard to translate perfectly, and often impossible as languages vary). It's not even constant when referring to the same animal!
What's more, the obvious pattern is that "he" corresponds to single nouns, and "they" to plural.
That distinction is irrelevant. What matters is that this is a misrepresentation of multiverse theory as well as the Bible. A universe is not a "heaven"; a "heaven" is more like a place-where-things-are, like the sky or the land or the waters.
So whenever science and the Bible match, it's a sign of God and Design. And when they don't match, it's because science is bad. Sure.
 
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Of course but what you are asking us to believe is that Humans evolved an intelligence comparable to God's naturally, from mindless Nature which does NOT have it. Plus, it cannot be repeated which is why it's a Theory, a Theory of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth of Creation. God Bless you
 
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Darwin discovered that life came from water less than 200 years ago and godless men twisted his discovery in order to eliminate God from His own Creation....BUT...
in rejecting God's Truth, they FORGOT about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. The entire story of the Scoffers/Evols of the last days is told in ll Peter 3:3-7 and soon to be revealed to ALL flesh in the last days. Act 2:17 What will you say when Science announces what God told us 2800 years before Darwin, and which will soon be in agreement with Science. Will it shake up your world?
 
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Of course but what you are asking us to believe is that Humans evolved an intelligence comparable to God's naturally, from mindless Nature which does NOT have it.
Yes. I am saying that intelligent life emerged from non-intelligent matter. This is the only way to actually explain intelligence, instead of passing the problem onto an even more unlikely intelligent deity.
Plus, it cannot be repeated which is why it's a Theory, a Theory of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth of Creation. God Bless you
You mean "that's why it's untestable." A theory is not necessarily untestable. And that's still wrong - not all historical claims are untestable. May your knowledge increase without end.
 
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I am saying that intelligent life emerged from non-intelligent matter.
Yup.

Some people get their intelligence from a rock; others get it from THE Rock.
 
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Yup.

Some people get their intelligence from a rock; others get it from THE Rock.
Puns don't prove anything. And your humor is laughable, not laughter-inducing.

You imply that materially-derived intelligence is inferior to divinely-inspired intelligence? Perhaps, but we don't have any of the latter - we have no way of knowing!
 
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Wow, the lengths to which you will go to force the facts of the world to fit into your narrative are quite astounding. Not in a good way though.
 
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No, it is not loving in any way to say, "I wish for your own desires to become the same as mine, because mine are right and yours are wrong."



 
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Human intelligence MUST be inherited from Adam, since he was the ONLY Human for Billions of years. You don't seem to know that Humans are God's children, made FIRST long before ANY other living creature. Gen 2:4-7 Intelligence, like God's, Gen 3:22 has not and cannot be inherited from apes. Your precious theory is a half-truth which CANNOT be supported by History nor Scripture. Godless men took descent with modification within His and Their kinds and called it "evolution". Like their false theory, it is nothing more than a made up fantasy.
 
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Wow, the lengths to which you will go to force the facts of the world to fit into your narrative are quite astounding. Not in a good way though.

It's too bad that your "facts" don't agree with Scripture, science nor history. I'm sorry for your frustration. When you can find support for your ideas, please post supporting Scripture. God Bless you
 
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Or - there was no Adam! Humans weren't the first creatures! Once you scrap the literal interpretation of an ancient holy book, the problems all seem to go away.
 
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It's too bad that your "facts" don't agree with Scripture, science nor history. I'm sorry for your frustration. When you can find support for your ideas, please post supporting Scripture. God Bless you
Because only an ancient holy book can be valid support for anything. Sure.
 
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Or - there was no Adam! Humans weren't the first creatures! Once you scrap the literal interpretation of an ancient holy book, the problems all seem to go away.

It's the best and ONLY evidence of life from before the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Adam was made with a mind like God's Gen 3:22 and he was the ONLY person made this way and he lived for Billions of years with Jesus. Adam lived in a perfect body, like Christians will have in Heaven and he was immortal until he sinned.

The ONLY way to be a Human is to have INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence. Mindless Nature cannot and did not magically evolve God's superior intelligence in Apes. Such naive thinking is that of the Scoffers of the last days, who forgot about the Flood when they dreamed up the False ToE. ll Peter 3:3-7 Are you a Scoffer? Do you believe God or the changeable knowledge of Science?
 
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It's the best and ONLY evidence of life from before the Big Bang of our Cosmos.
It's not any evidence at all. And "the Bible is true" is not the default case, only disprovable by finding something that claims to know even more than the Bible does.
Adam was made with a mind like God's Gen 3:22 and he was the ONLY person made this way and he lived for Billions of years with Jesus. Adam lived in a perfect body, like Christians will have in Heaven and he was immortal until he sinned
This isn't even Christianity. I don't know what this is.
The ONLY way to be a Human is to have INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence.
Says who?
Mindless Nature cannot and did not magically evolve God's superior intelligence in Apes.
That's right - it wasn't magic, and it didn't evolve "God's intelligence". It simply evolved intelligence.
Such naive thinking is that of the Scoffers of the last days, who forgot about the Flood when they dreamed up the False ToE.
ll Peter 3:3-7 Are you a Scoffer?
Yes, I am a Scoffer. If "Scoffer" means "rejecting claims unsupported by evidence," then I will Scoff at unfalsifiable claims all day long.
Do you believe God or the changeable knowledge of Science?
Yay for change! Without it, we'd never be able to figure out our mistakes!
 
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