How do we explain how non-salt water fish survived the flood?

[kopilo]

Dunno, I would need to know the exact differences between a mexican walking fish and a salamander before I could comment.

From what I know they are the same species but they do naturally change from being a primarly water living animal to a earth walking creature if there is something negative in their environment that forces them to change (well in captivity anyway) and that change has to be constant for the juvinile tiger salamander to lose its gills, reduce the height of its tail and grow slightly more larger.

The thing to remember is that some axototls are accually a slightly different species (I believe hybred in a french lab) such so they stay in the larval form of a tiger salamander their whole life (can be determined by the fact that they are albino).

The correct terminology used when a larval salamanda turns into a adult salamanda is metamorphosis I also believe.

Sources:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/salamanders/a/tigersalamander.htm
http://www.axolotls.org/
http://inky.50megs.com/axolotldiffs.html
http://wellingtonzoo.com/animals/animals/reptiles/axolotl.html

 

[djbcrawford]

Ah, so it's actually a type of frog.

 

[djbcrawford]

Ah, so it's actually a type of amphibian (like a frog or toad).

 

[djbcrawford]

Moral of the story - never hit reply twice after trying to amend a slow posting...

 

[kopilo]

Ah, so it's actually a type of amphibian (like a frog or toad).

Yeah it is a type of amphibian, however unlike the frog or toad some mexican walking fish can undergo neoteny. (Which is the reverse of 'evolution', where the axolotl matures in its larval form).

 

[Dannager]

(Which is the reverse of 'evolution', where the axolotl matures in its larval form).

You mean the opposite of metamorphisis, right?

 

[kopilo]

You mean the opposite of metamorphisis, right?

It just does not metamorph.

Sorry it's hard to clarify because it's unique and rather odd.

To put it simply some 'axototls' do develop into tiger salamanders and others don't develop past living in water, but both still mature and can breed.

Maybe I should make a seperate thread.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

It just does not metamorph.

Sorry it's hard to clarify because it's unique and rather odd.

To put it simply some 'axototls' do develop into tiger salamanders and others don't develop past living in water, but both still mature and can breed.

Maybe I should make a seperate thread.

just a little help.
the process is termed "neoteny" it is the retention of juvenile characteristics pass the normal timing.

the interesting thing about the tiger salamanders is that it appears to be related to water temperature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambystoma
is a good starting point.

 

[Dannager]

just a little help.
the process is termed "neoteny" it is the retention of juvenile characteristics pass the normal timing.

the interesting thing about the tiger salamanders is that it appears to be related to water temperature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambystoma
is a good starting point.

*points up* kopilo actually identified it as neoteny in his previous post. I think I was just a little confused by how he described it.

 

[Floodnut]

If you put cream in a cup of coffee, how long does it take to mix? If you put in sugar how long does it take to mix? If you stir it you can speed it up, but still, as often as not the bottom of the cup is sweeter.
Multiply the cup by millions and billions and trillions to get the quantity of water in a qlobal flood, and and extend the few seconds with the coffee to a year and you can see that the waters were never ever mixed to equal salinity and temperature, and they still are not equally mixed to this day. Combine that with the idea of fish with both abilities in their genetic code adapting to the present day state of limited environmental survivability and you have your answer.

 

[Mallon]

Floodnut, since the Flood seems to be your favourite topic, we would appreciate some answers from you to the "Flood Stratigraphy" thread in the OT forum. It's been pretty quiet there.
http://www.christianforums.com/t3229178-flood-stratigraphy.html
Thanks!