Not really surprising, the Vatican's chief banker was a Freemason, and he was murdered in order to cover up a scandal (I am speaking, of course, of the Banco Ambrosiano scandal). And that was only the tip of the iceberg, that particular Masonic Lodge (Propaganda Due) was connected to dozens of murders, including the Bologna Massacre.Mason symbolism plentiful
Keep in mind that the Jesuits created Masonary so it would be more correct to say that Masonic Lodges have a lot of Jesuit/RC symbolism in them.Mason symbolism plentiful
You are correct... my apologies... it was given as a gift to commemorate the French and American Revolutions, iirc. The tie in to the atheistic French revolution is evident in the goddess of reason/liberty theme, tied to the goddess of Columbia. Seems both were throwing down the shackles of the Papal power and this was a commemoration of that...It wasn't given during the French Revolution.
America rebelled against Britain, which was extremely Protestant. Not against the Pope.You are correct... my apologies... it was given as a gift to commemorate the French and American Revolutions, iirc. The tie in to the atheistic French revolution is evident in the goddess of reason/liberty theme, tied to the goddess of Columbia. Seems both were throwing down the shackles of the Papal power and this was a commemoration of that...
There might be something to that, but it seems quite a stretch. All over the West, the classical age (Rome and Greece) was seen as an inspiration for modern men; and such images are more representative of that idea than of paganism, or Masonry, or any of the other theories.You are correct... my apologies... it was given as a gift to commemorate the French and American Revolutions, iirc. The tie in to the atheistic French revolution is evident in the goddess of reason/liberty theme, tied to the goddess of Columbia. Seems both were throwing down the shackles of the Papal power and this was a commemoration of that...
Trying to separate the Classical Age from paganism is like trying to separate Medieval Europe from Christianity or the modern Middle East from Islam.There might be something to that, but it seems quite a stretch. All over the West, the classical age (Rome and Greece) was seen as an inspiration for modern men; and such images are more representative of that idea than of paganism, or Masonry, or any of the other theories.
Look at our own history until recently--on coinage, statuary, in the national capital, etc. There's Classicism all over the place...because the Romans and Greeks were remembered as republics or democracies rather than monarchies. Today when there are few monarchies left, that contrast doesn't inspire people as much as it once did.
I don't think so. But as I said in that post, the connection that was so obvious and popular in an earlier part of our history doesn't hold anymore, and people nowadays just don't get it.Trying to separate the Classical Age from paganism is like trying to separate Medieval Europe from Christianity or the modern Middle East from Islam.
The anti-monarchist dimension of idealization of the ancients was the culmination of the nostalgia for the pagan past, not its source. Nostalgia for the pagan Greeks and Romans started long before the Enlightenment, it was really something that came out of the Renaissance. And back then, the main political contest was between monarchist and Ultramontanist, which is what ended up provoking the Donation of Constantine. Dante, for instance, took the monarchist side (see De Monarchia), which ended up getting him exiled.I don't think so. But as I said in that post, the connection that was so obvious and popular in an earlier part of our history doesn't hold anymore, and people nowadays just don't get it.
I don't see that that changes anything with this particular discussion. If we're to believe that the Statue of Liberty is a tribute to paganism, I think that's a non-starter of a theory.The anti-monarchist dimension of idealization of the ancients was the culmination of the nostalgia for the pagan past, not its source.
Keep in mind that the Jesuits created Masonary so it would be more correct to say that Masonic Lodges have a lot of Jesuit/RC symbolism in them.
I don't think any statue, even those made by pagans, was a tribute to in-general "paganism", as in non-Abrahamic religions.I don't see that that changes anything with this particular discussion. If we're to believe that the Statue of Liberty is a tribute to paganism, I think that's a non-starter of a theory.
Keep in mind that the Jesuits created Masonary
We hear you.What???!!! Don't think so!!
Wrong choice of words that the Jesuits 'created' masonry... more like subverted. The Masons of old, the unions of stone cutters is not what Freemasonry is today.What???!!! Don't think so!!
I think the Statue of Liberty is a tribute to Libertas, although in a literary rather than religious way.
That would explain all the anti catholic/papal sentiment in America at the time?America rebelled against Britain, which was extremely Protestant. Not against the Pope.
America was anti-Catholic because they were mostly Protestant. Same reason Britain was extremely anti-Catholic. America, at least the British colonies, were never under the Pope though, since they were established after Britain went Protestant.That would explain all the anti catholic/papal sentiment in America at the time?
I'm pretty sure it's Libertas. I seriously doubt Roman plebeians were ever idealized, even during the most republican of movements of the Enlightenment.Libera, more likely, who was the goddess/wife of the Roman deity Liber; both of whom being deities of plebian freedom.
I'm pretty sure it's Libertas. I seriously doubt Roman plebeians were ever idealized, even during the most republican of movements of the Enlightenment.
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