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Lillen
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Yea i've had, thanks for reminding me. But hypnosis do not explain the Michael Jacksons fans testimony of feeling electricity go through their body. Like a tazer without the amperre
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And to add, falling down when someone pray for you is not what distinguish the right communion. This is what will follow the orthodox communion - Your children will prophecies, your young man will have visions, your men will prophcies and your elders will have dreams. That is what you should be looking for if going to a communion if it happands there you have come right. Moreover you will be able to witness miracles and not only the famous "I've heard".
How they fall to the ground is still a mystery for me. And if love is involved i have nothing to critizise. But beware of them.
How they fall to the ground is still a mystery for me. And if love is involved i have nothing to critizise. But beware of them.
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Jazer said:
You are in the science subforum, we discuss science here. If you arent interested in that, don't post here. Certainly don't post weird superstitions and demand we accept them without any scientific evidence.
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GrowingSmaller
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I have heard it rumored that scientists employ methodological naturalism. Therefore if there is any supernatural there, science (unless it is humble) is bound to get it wrong.
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Your darkness is striking and with irony in my voice i must ask, were else do i get enlighten? No i demanded a scientifical explination of it, i got it, i am satsified... so you are going to expell me from the communion just for questioning science for religios phenomenons?
This is autosuggestion and hypnosis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3CoaZOtVagg&feature=endscreen
Any other call?
Because that means anyone being able to form a group and give autosuggestions, could repete Antichrist powers...
This is autosuggestion and hypnosis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3CoaZOtVagg&feature=endscreen
Any other call?
Because that means anyone being able to form a group and give autosuggestions, could repete Antichrist powers...
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They faint because they are supposed to.
You would and I would not.
It's because you buy it.
My parents faint too. Why? because that is why they went.
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I am not sure I follow you... elaborate please!?
To adress christians who read this, many of these apostets call themselves anoited by holy ghost. Christ means anointed one, and the bible warn that false christ would come deciving many. Book of revelation give credit to one of the churches because they had tried those who say they are apostles but are not, but are a synagouage of Satan. The bible warns christians of all denominations on several places for decivers. And I adress this as a sidenote, for christians involved in this discussion, out of my own experiences. With my own experience, I do three things before enter a communion:
1- Always ask "is this love?" - God is love
2. Ask if the spirit in the church confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who/that came in the flesh -
3. see if their sons and daughters are welcome to prophesies and all that.
Notice one thing in the bible, the bible never adress people praying for others to cause them to fall in trance. What does the bible say: We will lay hand on sick and pray for them, and they shall be healed. NOTHING about falling in trance not by group pressure and hypnosis or any other force. Moses prayed to God and the sea opened up to them, Eliah prayed to God and his prayers came to be, Acts mention that a withered hand was made well. And to add so i don't disappoint christians, when they fall of love, which happans, but not with trance involved, I stand corrected. When Love is involved I can't utter myself against that church. God is love.
For the scientist, to adress scientist, My response to this as christian is, that it is the same force that causes trance from voodoomaster singing "ohmy ashdo" in african villages to their wiccans - In the bible called the prince of the power of the air, or by evanglists a spirit of accusation - That is my explanation as christian.
I find my explanation to be superior to yours. But one thing does not exclude the other. The contextual level is that group pressure and hypnosis making people to fall of their leaders is caused by a spirit of accusation.
And for my enemy always reporting me. I am not prozelyting, I don't do that over the internet, I present my observations i've made as christian.
To adress christians who read this, many of these apostets call themselves anoited by holy ghost. Christ means anointed one, and the bible warn that false christ would come deciving many. Book of revelation give credit to one of the churches because they had tried those who say they are apostles but are not, but are a synagouage of Satan. The bible warns christians of all denominations on several places for decivers. And I adress this as a sidenote, for christians involved in this discussion, out of my own experiences. With my own experience, I do three things before enter a communion:
1- Always ask "is this love?" - God is love
2. Ask if the spirit in the church confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who/that came in the flesh -
3. see if their sons and daughters are welcome to prophesies and all that.
Notice one thing in the bible, the bible never adress people praying for others to cause them to fall in trance. What does the bible say: We will lay hand on sick and pray for them, and they shall be healed. NOTHING about falling in trance not by group pressure and hypnosis or any other force. Moses prayed to God and the sea opened up to them, Eliah prayed to God and his prayers came to be, Acts mention that a withered hand was made well. And to add so i don't disappoint christians, when they fall of love, which happans, but not with trance involved, I stand corrected. When Love is involved I can't utter myself against that church. God is love.
For the scientist, to adress scientist, My response to this as christian is, that it is the same force that causes trance from voodoomaster singing "ohmy ashdo" in african villages to their wiccans - In the bible called the prince of the power of the air, or by evanglists a spirit of accusation - That is my explanation as christian.
I find my explanation to be superior to yours. But one thing does not exclude the other. The contextual level is that group pressure and hypnosis making people to fall of their leaders is caused by a spirit of accusation.
And for my enemy always reporting me. I am not prozelyting, I don't do that over the internet, I present my observations i've made as christian.
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keith99
sola dosis facit venenum
You are surprised that those who get there early to get the places right up front fall when pushed pretty hard and then stay down which fits right into the spiel?
Lets get a bunch of skeptics up front and see what happens. I'll bet they get right back up. And then lets get a bunch of American Football and Rugby players. I'll bet they never go down.
And this kind of thign has a long history of outright plants up front, guys who are in on the fake.
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Concerning mircales, and i say this with documents in my hand. On People in rehabilitation of drugs. 100% of the people it works well for after the rehabilitation, had associations with a church. A christian church. The others relapse, end up insane because of the penalism on the rehabilation home, or in the morg.
Documents testify that drugusers who search their way to the church, nomatter if it's pantecostal, baptist or christian, doesn't relapse or end up in other misery. And that is proven. Ofcourse you could argue like the doctors giving those numbers, that they have replaced their drugusage with God (and thus varifying Karl Marx notion that religion was opium for the people, a notion I never understood so well). If we adress drugusage to worshipping false gods, a notion many christian hold, it is true that they have replaced their misery with the true living God.
Pantecostal do mircles in their life.
Documents testify that drugusers who search their way to the church, nomatter if it's pantecostal, baptist or christian, doesn't relapse or end up in other misery. And that is proven. Ofcourse you could argue like the doctors giving those numbers, that they have replaced their drugusage with God (and thus varifying Karl Marx notion that religion was opium for the people, a notion I never understood so well). If we adress drugusage to worshipping false gods, a notion many christian hold, it is true that they have replaced their misery with the true living God.
Pantecostal do mircles in their life.
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KhaosTheory
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You know, you just made an interesting point about religion in general... It is like a drug, and a lot of studies have shown that the same chemicals are released in the brain when a person has a "spiritual experience" as when they are on some drugs.
Maybe religion is just a form of substitution -something rehabilitators recognize and try to avoid... But apparently religious rehabilitators encourage this. Interesting...
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Incredible fight between a Kiai master and a MMA fighter - YouTube
Thought I'd post that. Seems not entirely unrelated. But do not fail to watch the fight that starts around 3:30.
Thought I'd post that. Seems not entirely unrelated. But do not fail to watch the fight that starts around 3:30.
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God is not a drug, but drugs are worshiping other gods and idols. Eros, Amore, Zeus and so on. You got that wrong.
We don't become high of God, intoxicated or anything.
We don't become high of God, intoxicated or anything.
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I think they are either actively faking or are following subconscious cues from group pressure.
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keith99
sola dosis facit venenum
Really strange.
I would have been inclined to think the first part staged, but if so why did they allow the final fight? Or could the first part be an example of just how successful one can be in turning the mind of someone who believes against them?
In any case it looks like the MMA guy is not a believer.
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