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How do science explain this phenomenon?

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Now this was actually caught on tape. Even though the bible warns us for false apostles, i need to share this youtube video with you... I need a good explenation of what is going on, even though I don't like what I see on the tape. It doesn't sound healthy or look healthy for that matter too. I remeber the words from book of revelation how John gives credit to one of the seven churches for tried those who say they are apostles but are not, but are a synagouge of Satan.

Ulf Ekman talar i tungor på Livets ord-möte - YouTube
 
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I am not certain i am allowed to preach this here on the science forum but someone needs to say it. By their fruits you will know them.

Ask yourself "is this love", if the bodies hit the floor with love, I can't say anything about it, because then it is of God. The bible teaches us that God is love. But the bible also warn us for false apostles...

I need to preach this, as a side paranthesis, and i hope the moderators accept this, if not pm me and i delete this messege. My prayers is that I don't become banned for it.

But those apostles only give me curses, i feel cursed everytime i am near them, there is no love in them. it is alot of talk of people being healed from their afflictions, but never visible to our eyes. Moreover they say it is the flesh you are struggling against when feeling cursed while it is their teachings cursing you. Remeber Jesus' words the woe against the scribes and phariesees, for making their diciples twice as bad as themselves.

Antichrist makes christians martyrs, and these people preach that revival will come because of martyrs. That has no support in the bible, whatsoever... What has support in the bible for revival, or harvest, is Jesus teachings about the kingdom. For example, plant a musturdseed in your hometown or allow a king giving three servant some talents, the first five, the second two, and the third one...
 
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It's a simple mix of hypnosis, observation (by the "pastor"), and group pressure.

Watch this series if you are interested:

[youtube]kJ02I6QyagM[/youtube]

Part 1 is an important introduction. Parts 3 and 4 are examples of "fainting".
 
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Any other explination?

Such as lack of oxygen or some form of static electricity?

I been there, it feels like a tazer without ampare.

And i do not consult magicians, adressing your tubevideo...

Now if you heard the story about those fainting of the touch of michael jackson you will hear their testemoney of energy flowing through their bodies causing them to collapse, sometime that has had a fatal outcome when they been trampled to death by the audience.

When I belonged to a baptist communion there was a older women giving praise to Jesus, she was the informal leader of the communion. I could feel the same flow of energy when she touched my hand after giving praise to Jesus. I would not try to explain that with hypnosis or group pressure, it felt like a voltage shortout without the ampere. I would still say that it is unexplainable to science, I don't find your explination satisfying.
 
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Any other explination?

Such as lack of oxygen or some form of static electricity?

I been there, it feels like a tazer without ampare.

And i do not consult magicians, adressing your tubevideo...

Now if you heard the story about those fainting of the touch of michael jackson you will hear their testemoney of energy flowing through their bodies causing them to collapse, sometime that has had a fatal outcome when they been trampled to death by the audience.

When I belonged to a baptist communion there was a older women giving praise to Jesus, she was the informal leader of the communion. I could feel the same flow of energy when she touched my hand after giving praise to Jesus. I would not try to explain that with hypnosis or group pressure, it felt like a voltage shortout without the ampere. I would still say that it is unexplainable to science, I don't find your explination satisfying.

It is explainable to science. It's called group pressure and autosuggestion.
 
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Any other explination?

Such as lack of oxygen or some form of static electricity?

I been there, it feels like a tazer without ampare.

And i do not consult magicians, adressing your tubevideo...

Now if you heard the story about those fainting of the touch of michael jackson you will hear their testemoney of energy flowing through their bodies causing them to collapse, sometime that has had a fatal outcome when they been trampled to death by the audience.

When I belonged to a baptist communion there was a older women giving praise to Jesus, she was the informal leader of the communion. I could feel the same flow of energy when she touched my hand after giving praise to Jesus. I would not try to explain that with hypnosis or group pressure, it felt like a voltage shortout without the ampere. I would still say that it is unexplainable to science, I don't find your explination satisfying.

My own 2c.

I might be able to provide some unique perspective on this as I used to be a deeply religious person and I know exactly what you're talking about. You have in my opinion, perhaps unknowingly, touched upon the very foundation of religion, that of the feeling of religious exaltation. It's the same rarifired quality you might find visiting an ancient monastery or in the tomes of William James' Varieties of Religious Experience or Kempis' The Imitation of Christ. That sense of the divine other, the Shekinah. The feeling that what I'm doing at this moment is right, that something greater than myself is present and I might even be in contact with it. Such a sentiment is present in every temple, church, mosque, mass, ritual, and has a litany of examples in every religious tradition; it's part of the human makeup. I can think of no better explanation for why humans have created so many different mutually exclusive religions throughout our history. The feeling of 'Christ being present with you' while in the rapture of prayer is not unique to Christianity. People of other religious faiths feel the same emotion of 'rightness' just as strongly and believe their religious teachings with just as much fervor. There are hundreds of different spiritual disciplines, all expressing the same human emotion/theme uniquely through their own cultural/personal prism.

In my own opinion, people are loathe to question this feeling and whether there really is anything deeper to it other than the surface value. It's also why religion, in some form, will always be a part of humanity and is ineradicable. My own case provides an easy and continual example. I was a bible believing Christian for many years; I prayed the sinner's prayer, read the Bible cover to cover, went to church etc... and yet once I started really questioning it, once I let in just one doubtful question, the whole thing fell apart (though it certainly took a good many long days and nights to completely fall apart). Just because we feel something is true, know it's true down to our bones, doesn't make it true.
 
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Well I might add that the OP-video is rather funny, he mentions a lot of countries:
Polen, Tjeckoslovakien, Rumänien, Bulgarien, Ungern, Sovietunionen

And a lot of the sounds is what one might say while chuckling, stumbling on what country to say next and a short form of the swedish word for "and". Also throw in a couple of hallelujahs in there.

I've done worse speaking in tongues by myself...

CabVet, Incariol and Farinata explains it neatly.


@Lillen, det är klart att det känns som hem då du är inväxt i den kulturen. Så är det för alla.
 
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I need a good explenation of what is going on,
My son calls that a chi energy, he studied it in martial arts. You can photograph it with a Kirlian Imaging Devise. It is not the power of suggestion as some suggest, although I am sure that sort of thing goes on also.

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