How do people who are "unconditionally loved" end up in hell?

[Doug Melven]

When I look at how God felt about the nation of Israel. How He kept pleading with them to come back to Him.
But they were rebellious and would not.
How God would have His prophets rising up early and sending them to get them to repent.
They just kept rebelling against Him.
But, He still loved these people that did not deserve His love. He loved them in spite of all there flaws.
And so we see this is how He loves us. He loves us in spite of our faults and rebellion against Him.
For Him to have people who reject Him of there own free will into Heaven would be to violate there free will.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

When I look at how God felt about the nation of Israel. How He kept pleading with them to come back to Him.
But they were rebellious and would not.
How God would have His prophets rising up early and sending them to get them to repent.
They just kept rebelling against Him.
But, He still loved these people that did not deserve His love. He loved them in spite of all there flaws.
And so we see this is how He loves us. He loves us in spite of our faults and rebellion against Him.
For Him to have people who reject Him of there own free will into Heaven would be to violate there free will.

Doug, if you stay in generalities, I can see how you say that. But, I have been challenging people to not stay in abstract generalities. Consider the specific, so you can see the unconditional general does not translate to every specific general. (1) God chose to save mankind, yet only chose to save Noah and his family and to replenish the earth through them. Does that indicate God loved every individual man or that God generally loved His creation "man" and had specific love for Noah that led God to choosing to start over with him? (Gen 6:5-8) And, look at what Peter says is going to happen to the heavens and the earth, because of ungodly men (2 Pet 3:5-7). God does love His creation man with a "great love" as Scripture says. And, as He said with Noah, some "will find grace in His eyes." But, not all. In the flood, many were killed. Why does Scripture say? Because "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5). God chose Israel. Yet, killed many within the physical nation of Israel. Paul said: "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were given as our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them, as it is written....Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur you, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor 10:5-11) Jude shares: "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah and the subsequent plague when Israelites murmured (Numbers 16:23-50). Numbers 16:45 is not the only time that God wanted to save Moses and destroy the rest of Israel. (See also Exodus 32:10-14, verses 26-28--3000 killed, verses 31-35). Jesus also alluded to the time when the bronze snake was to be raised to stop the fiery serpents the LORD sent among the people that killed much people of Israel (Numbers 21:6-9, John 3:14).

So, God loved Israel. True. And, God, though loving Israel, had many people within the nation of Israel killed for their transgressions. The LORD said to Moses: "Whoever has sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book" in response to Moses' intercession. (Exodus 32:33) In Rev 3:5: Jesus says: "He that overcomes...I will not blot out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." Jesus also said: "Whoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Jesus is the only way, so if He denies someone before the Father, that can't be good!

Given specific examples, I don't see how anyone can continue to argue that God loves all men equally and unconditionally. It just doesn't match what Scripture says.

 

[Larry Wilgus]

People don't really choose heaven or hell. They choose to believe or disbelief in the God of the Bible, and more specificially, His testimony about Jesus Christ (1 John 5:10) who is the only Way to the Father. If God unconditionally and individually loves all men, then how do "unconditionally loved" people end up in hell for all eternity?

(I am not a universalist and I believe what Jesus said about hell.)

Anyone who rebuffs the price Jesus paid to redeem mankind deserves hell. They rejected His unconditional love which is tragic.

 

[Larry Wilgus]

Doug, if you stay in generalities, I can see how you say that. But, I have been challenging people to not stay in abstract generalities. Consider the specific, so you can see the unconditional general does not translate to every specific general. (1) God chose to save mankind, yet only chose to save Noah and his family and to replenish the earth through them. Does that indicate God loved every individual man or that God generally loved His creation "man" and had specific love for Noah that led God to choosing to start over with him? (Gen 6:5-8) And, look at what Peter says is going to happen to the heavens and the earth, because of ungodly men (2 Pet 3:5-7). God does love His creation man with a "great love" as Scripture says. And, as He said with Noah, some "will find grace in His eyes." But, not all. In the flood, many were killed. Why does Scripture say? Because "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5). God chose Israel. Yet, killed many within the physical nation of Israel. Paul said: "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were given as our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them, as it is written....Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur you, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor 10:5-11) Jude shares: "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah and the subsequent plague when Israelites murmured (Numbers 16:23-50). Numbers 16:45 is not the only time that God wanted to save Moses and destroy the rest of Israel. (See also Exodus 32:10-14, verses 26-28--3000 killed, verses 31-35). Jesus also alluded to the time when the bronze snake was to be raised to stop the fiery serpents the LORD sent among the people that killed much people of Israel (Numbers 21:6-9, John 3:14).

So, God loved Israel. True. And, God, though loving Israel, had many people within the nation of Israel killed for their transgressions. The LORD said to Moses: "Whoever has sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book" in response to Moses' intercession. (Exodus 32:33) In Rev 3:5: Jesus says: "He that overcomes...I will not blot out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." Jesus also said: "Whoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Jesus is the only way, so if He denies someone before the Father, that can't be good!

Given specific examples, I don't see how anyone can continue to argue that God loves all men equally and unconditionally. It just doesn't match what Scripture says.

You say it doesn't match scripture because you haven't encountered His amazing love. You're stuck in the Old Testament and haven't engaged in the New Covenant of love.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Doug, if you stay in generalities, I can see how you say that. But, I have been challenging people to not stay in abstract generalities. Consider the specific, so you can see the unconditional general does not translate to every specific general. (1) God chose to save mankind, yet only chose to save Noah and his family and to replenish the earth through them. Does that indicate God loved every individual man or that God generally loved His creation "man" and had specific love for Noah that led God to choosing to start over with him? (Gen 6:5-8) And, look at what Peter says is going to happen to the heavens and the earth, because of ungodly men (2 Pet 3:5-7). God does love His creation man with a "great love" as Scripture says. And, as He said with Noah, some "will find grace in His eyes." But, not all. In the flood, many were killed. Why does Scripture say? Because "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Gen 6:5). God chose Israel. Yet, killed many within the physical nation of Israel. Paul said: "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were given as our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them, as it is written....Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur you, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (1 Cor 10:5-11) Jude shares: "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah and the subsequent plague when Israelites murmured (Numbers 16:23-50). Numbers 16:45 is not the only time that God wanted to save Moses and destroy the rest of Israel. (See also Exodus 32:10-14, verses 26-28--3000 killed, verses 31-35). Jesus also alluded to the time when the bronze snake was to be raised to stop the fiery serpents the LORD sent among the people that killed much people of Israel (Numbers 21:6-9, John 3:14).

So, God loved Israel. True. And, God, though loving Israel, had many people within the nation of Israel killed for their transgressions. The LORD said to Moses: "Whoever has sinned against Me, him will I blot out of My book" in response to Moses' intercession. (Exodus 32:33) In Rev 3:5: Jesus says: "He that overcomes...I will not blot out of the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels." Jesus also said: "Whoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven." Jesus is the only way, so if He denies someone before the Father, that can't be good!

Given specific examples, I don't see how anyone can continue to argue that God loves all men equally and unconditionally. It just doesn't match what Scripture says.

So your issue is that if God loves mankind he would not let them die?

We all die. You seem to have issue with the God who created life letting life die.

It would seem to me that you do not think God is loving, fair or righteous.

 

[Doug Melven]

God loves each person on Earth.
If someone dies, it is not because God didn't love them.
They nay have rejected Him and His plan for there life.
Just like a child who commits suicide, did they die because there parents did not love them.
No, they died in spite of a parents love.
Some people die because we live in a fallen world where some people kill each other.
Despite what some people believe God's Sovereignty does not take away our freewill to do evil.
Some people die because God ordered the Isrealites to kill them because God knew these people would harm His children.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

You say it doesn't match scripture because you haven't encountered His amazing love. You're stuck in the Old Testament and haven't engaged in the New Covenant of love.

Larry, you are badly mistaken. What amazes me about hyper-grace people is how quickly they fail to demonstrate the unconditional love they claim God has without caring how short they are falling from His example as if God doesn't care. But what if you are wrong and your wrongful pronouncements are held against you?

 

[ViaCrucis]

God loves all impartially. Hell is not the absence of God's love, it's what God's love looks like to those who despise God.

"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.' All that are in Hell, choose it." - C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce

"As for me I say that those who are tormented in hell are tormented by the invasion of love. What is there more bitter and violent than the pains of love? Those who feel they have sinned against love bear in themselves a damnation much heavier than the most dreaded punishments. The suffering with which sinning against love afflicts the heart is more keenly felt than any other torment. It is absurd to assume that the sinners in hell are deprived of God’s love. Love is offered impartially. But by its very power it acts in two ways. It torments sinners, as happens here on earth when we are tormented by the presence of a friend to whom we have been unfaithful. And it gives joy to those who have been faithful.

That is what the torment of hell is in my opinion: remorse. But love inebriates the souls of the sons and daughters of heaven by its delectability." - St. Isaac the Syrian

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Neal of Zebulun]

Hey Johnny. I read this verse and wanted to show you some support:

1 John 3:

17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?​

I do believe that's called a condition for having Yahweh's love.

Keep fighting for the Truth Johnny!

 

[Neal of Zebulun]

Careful! This one might sting a bit:

Deuteronomy 7:

9 Know therefore that Yahweh thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;​

10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.​

Ouch! So loving Yahweh is a condition too. John would agree:

1 John 4:

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.​

And what does "knoweth not God" mean exactly?

John 17:

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Yahshua Christ, whom thou hast sent.​

Yeah. The opposite of life eternal.

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

God loves all impartially. Hell is not the absence of God's love, it's what God's love looks like to those who despise God.

"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.' All that are in Hell, choose it." - C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce

"As for me I say that those who are tormented in hell are tormented by the invasion of love. What is there more bitter and violent than the pains of love? Those who feel they have sinned against love bear in themselves a damnation much heavier than the most dreaded punishments. The suffering with which sinning against love afflicts the heart is more keenly felt than any other torment. It is absurd to assume that the sinners in hell are deprived of God’s love. Love is offered impartially. But by its very power it acts in two ways. It torments sinners, as happens here on earth when we are tormented by the presence of a friend to whom we have been unfaithful. And it gives joy to those who have been faithful.

That is what the torment of hell is in my opinion: remorse. But love inebriates the souls of the sons and daughters of heaven by its delectability." - St. Isaac the Syrian

-CryptoLutheran

That just isn't true. Scripture defines hell in a very real way. Isaiah even says we will see those in torture (Isa 66:24), so it isn't something in their own mind. Even though, they may be remorseful about their situation.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That just isn't true. Scripture defines hell in a very real way. Isaiah even says we will see those in torture (Isa 66:24), so it isn't something in their own mind. Even though, they may be remorseful about their situation.

So you take the imagery used in reference to Gehenna and the Lake of Fire to be literal descriptions of some location then? Okay, I don't. Most Christians don't, and never have.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

So you take the imagery used in reference to Gehenna and the Lake of Fire to be literal descriptions of some location then? Okay, I don't. Most Christians don't, and never have.

-CryptoLutheran

I was shocked when I read this. Scripture seems very clear. I did some research. I don't think most Christians would agree with you.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I was shocked when I read this. Scripture seems very clear. I did some research. I don't think most Christians would agree with you.

There's never been an official Christian view on hell. Views range from belief that there is literally a location somewhere below the surface of earth where the wicked are punished for all eternity, to a mysterious lack of God's presence, to a way the wicked experience God's presence, and things inbetween and other.

Scripture itself says remarkably little on the subject of the ultimate fate of the wicked. Jesus speaks about Gehenna, the place of the wicked dead in Judaism in which the wicked wait to face the Judgment; other places in Scripture talk about perishing, destruction, and judgment; and then St. John in his Apocalypse describes a lake burning with fire and sulfur into which even death and Hades/She'ol are cast into. What, exactly, the final state and experience of the wicked looks like is an open question. Scripture uses images and metaphors which have been interpreted variously throughout the last two thousand years. You happen to take the position that they are more-or-less literal, that there are Christians who don't shouldn't be shocking--though if you're experience of Christianity is limited then that's probably understandable.

My own views have been shaped by several influences: the Eastern Orthodox view, typified in the quote from St. Isaac I offered earlier is one of those influences, as well as both C.S. Lewis' The Great Divorce which I also quoted, and also Dare We Hope by Fr. Hans Urs von Balthasar. I generally try to avoid having a dogmatic position on this subject because I don't believe there is sufficient material in Scripture by which to establish a dogmatic position; I think it also significant that at no time in the history of the Church has there ever been anything resembling an official dogma on the doctrine of Hell.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

Ho

There's never been an official Christian view on hell. Views range from belief that there is literally a location somewhere below the surface of earth where the wicked are punished for all eternity, to a mysterious lack of God's presence, to a way the wicked experience God's presence, and things inbetween and other.

Scripture itself says remarkably little on the subject of the ultimate fate of the wicked. Jesus speaks about Gehenna, the place of the wicked dead in Judaism in which the wicked wait to face the Judgment; other places in Scripture talk about perishing, destruction, and judgment; and then St. John in his Apocalypse describes a lake burning with fire and sulfur into which even death and Hades/She'ol are cast into. What, exactly, the final state and experience of the wicked looks like is an open question. Scripture uses images and metaphors which have been interpreted variously throughout the last two thousand years. You happen to take the position that they are more-or-less literal, that there are Christians who don't shouldn't be shocking--though if you're experience of Christianity is limited then that's probably understandable.

My own views have been shaped by several influences: the Eastern Orthodox view, typified in the quote from St. Isaac I offered earlier is one of those influences, as well as both C.S. Lewis' The Great Divorce which I also quoted, and also Dare We Hope by Fr. Hans Urs von Balthasar. I generally try to avoid having a dogmatic position on this subject because I don't believe there is sufficient material in Scripture by which to establish a dogmatic position; I think it also significant that at no time in the history of the Church has there ever been anything resembling an official dogma on the doctrine of Hell.

-CryptoLutheran

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and some of the historical thoughts. I'm not a new Christian; but, I am new to this site. The circles I run in believe in a literal hell. I just live in Scripture. It seems like one has to go into Scripture expecting that hell isn't a real place or wanting hell to not be a real place in order to come out with that conclusion. Just a few immediate thoughts: (1) Why would the Apostles Creed mention that "Jesus descended into hell," if it wasn't a place? (2) What Jesus described in Luke 16 appeared to be a location that all three of the characters were conscious of and Abraham and the rich man were able to have a conversation.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Ho


Thank you for sharing your thoughts and some of the historical thoughts. I'm not a new Christian; but, I am new to this site. The circles I run in believe in a literal hell. I just live in Scripture. It seems like one has to go into Scripture expecting that hell isn't a real place or wanting hell to not be a real place in order to come out with that conclusion. Just a few immediate thoughts: (1) Why would the Apostles Creed mention that "Jesus descended into hell," if it wasn't a place? (2) What Jesus described in Luke 16 appeared to be a location that all three of the characters were conscious of and Abraham and the rich man were able to have a conversation.

The Latin of the text in the Apostles' Creed is descendit ad infernos, literally "descended into the depths" or "descended into the underworld". What is meant here is the place of the dead, She'ol in Hebrew or translated as Hades in Greek. Some translations render it as "descended into the dead". It means Jesus was actually, truly dead; it is also connected with the Christian doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell (and "Hell" here means Hades, the place of the dead).

It's not referring to the place of the wicked dead; nor does it mean Jesus literally went to a place--it means Christ was truly dead and among the dead; and in connection with the Harrowing of Hell it is about the overcoming, the victory over death in His resurrection.

From St. John Chrysostom's Paschal Homily,

"No one need lament poverty,
for the kingdom is seen as universal.
No one need grieve over sins;
forgiveness has dawned from the tomb.
No one need fear death;
the Savior's death has freed us from it.
While its captive He stifled it.
He despoiled Hades as He descended into it;
it was angered when it tasted His flesh.
Foreseeing this, Isaiah proclaimed:
"Hades," he said, "was angered when he met You below."
It was angered because it was abolished
It was angered because it was mocked
It was angered because it was slain.
It was angered because it was shackled.
It received a body and encountered God.
It took earth and came face-to-face with heaven.
It took the seen and fell by what is unseen.
Death, where is your sting?
Hades, where is your victory?
Christ is risen and you are overthrown.
Christ is risen and demons have fallen.
Christ is risen and angels rejoice.
Christ is risen and life rules.Christ is risen and not one dead remains in the tomb.
For Christ, having risen from the dead,
has become the first-fruits of those that slept.
To Him be the glory and the dominion, forever. Amen."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

The Latin of the text in the Apostles' Creed is descendit ad infernos, literally "descended into the depths" or "descended into the underworld". What is meant here is the place of the dead, She'ol in Hebrew or translated as Hades in Greek. Some translations render it as "descended into the dead". It means Jesus was actually, truly dead; it is also connected with the Christian doctrine of the Harrowing of Hell (and "Hell" here means Hades, the place of the dead).

It's not referring to the place of the wicked dead; nor does it mean Jesus literally went to a place--it means Christ was truly dead and among the dead; and in connection with the Harrowing of Hell it is about the overcoming, the victory over death in His resurrection.

-CryptoLutheran

I can agree that Jesus descended into the paradise portion of Hades. I don't believe He went into what He described as "hell"--gehenna, the lake of fire, the second death, either.

But, I also don't think that line refers to "being truly dead." These were believers.

"was crucified, died, and was buried; He descended to hades (the realm of the dead). On the third day He rose again; He ascended into heaven, He is seated at the right hand of the Father, and He will come to judge the living and the dead."

If they weren't making a statement about Him going somewhere, they never needed to include that line "He descended into hades". You would get the idea that someone was "truly dead" if the creed said only this: "...died, and was buried. On the third day, He rose again."--wouldn't that be sufficient?

I learned an interesting fact, thanks to you (really, thank you!). Because of this discussion, I actually researched and the "early Roman creed" didn't even include the part about "descending into hades". Scholars seem to note that there isn't much discussion about hell in the early church. That could mean they didn't believe in a place--like some today OR it could mean that there was no need for discussion, because Scripture was very clear and the early Christian church was very clear about it. And, then the few that were writing about it were not expressing the accepted view, but challenging the current view of their time.

If none of these places are real, why describe them the way they are described--even by Jesus (hades versus gehenna). In revelation, the bottomless pit--where satan is locked up 1000 years. According to Scripture, he already knows his time is short. Scripture talks about him being locked in a pit for 1000 years and then released where he will deceive the nations again. Scripture also talks about satan, death, hades, and anyone not written in the Book of Life being cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death (Rev 20:13-15). If there is no such place and all this just happens within a person, how are all those entities cast into the same place? Are the angels who made a conscious choice to follow satan over God and torment humans today not in a real place? Peter said "they were cast down to tartarus" (2 Pet 2:4) When Jesus describes heaven, and the new heaven and the new earth, He appears to be describing a very real place for the just. Why assume that that when he says "these shall go away into everlasting punishment" in Matt 25:46, that it is not also a place? Wouldn't that seem more consistent than saying there is a real heaven but there isn't a real gehenna hell?

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

God loves each person on Earth.
If someone dies, it is not because God didn't love them.
They nay have rejected Him and His plan for there life.
Just like a child who commits suicide, did they die because there parents did not love them.
No, they died in spite of a parents love.
Some people die because we live in a fallen world where some people kill each other.
Despite what some people believe God's Sovereignty does not take away our freewill to do evil.
Some people die because God ordered the Isrealites to kill them because God knew these people would harm His children.

More than one person has made the analogy to a parent. Scripturally, comparing the Father God to a human parent presents at least a few problems: (1) Human parents aren't the Sovereign God of all. He is. Therefore, unlike human parents, God can absolutely determine the consequences for each human being--not just His own. (2) Not every human is God's child. (3) While consequences like what we call death seem like a forever loss to us, there is a bigger "forever" that we really can't comprehend. And, God can and has reversed temporal death as well. And for some, He does for others He doesn't. That is part of His Sovereign management. (4) When they die, earthly parents can continue to think about them and love their memories of them; but, they can no longer do any act that can or can't be received--because they are no longer in the world we operate in. (5) human parents also didn't decide the consequence for a successful attempted suicide. Real serious consequences are almost always out of the hands of the loving human parent. (suicide, drinking and driving, drug addictions and overdoses, pregnancies from sex, etc). We don't have any control over the consequences. The same is not so for God. As the Sovereign Creator of everything, God is not limited. God can and does intervene so that while we do stupid things that could wreck lives, sometimes, God reaches out to do something that changes an outcome. Only He knows why. (6) It is God who chose to establish the ultimate outcomes: both "everlasting punishment" and "everlasting life" (Matt 25:46). Everlasting or eternal connotes never ending. Never ending punishment is not an act of love--at least not an act of love toward those who end up suffering that. He didn't just let people live for this world, make bad choices, and die forever--all the dead will be resurrected. He established "everlasting punishment". That's a big difference from an earthly parent. (7) God doesn't have to accept our choice. He chooses to. A human parent can't choose whether to accept what an offspring does. I mean we can; but we can't stop it. God could, if He wanted to. But, He doesn't, because He said that He wants those who want to worship Him in spirit and in truth.

 

[War_Eagle]

If God unconditionally and individually loves all men, then how do "unconditionally loved" people end up in hell for all eternity?

First, this is a logical fallacy commonly known as "begging the question". That is, your question is based on the premise that God loves all men unconditionally.

Second, your question fails to take into account the fact that there are different kinds of love and that love, itself, does not mean one does not recognize or one in authority does not punish illegal acts.

Third, your question assumes that God loves men to the exclusion of everything else. The Bible tells us that God also loves Holiness, Righteousness, Justice, and His law.

Men God loves end up in Hell the same way anybody ends up in Hell: They die in their sin, without Christ's atonement applied to them.

 

[tulipbee]

People don't really choose heaven or hell. They choose to believe or disbelief in the God of the Bible, and more specificially, His testimony about Jesus Christ (1 John 5:10) who is the only Way to the Father. If God unconditionally and individually loves all men, then how do "unconditionally loved" people end up in hell for all eternity?

(I am not a universalist and I believe what Jesus said about hell.)

People don't really choose heaven or hell. They choose to believe or disbelief in the God of the Bible, and more specificially, His testimony about Jesus Christ (1 John 5:10) who is the only Way to the Father. If God unconditionally and individually loves all men, then how do "unconditionally loved" people end up in hell for all eternity?

(I am not a universalist and I believe what Jesus said about hell.)

People don't really choose heaven or hell. They choose to believe or disbelief in the God of the Bible, and more specificially, His testimony about Jesus Christ (1 John 5:10) who is the only Way to the Father. If God unconditionally and individually loves all men, then how do "unconditionally loved" people end up in hell for all eternity?

(I am not a universalist and I believe what Jesus said about hell.)

People don't really choose heaven or hell. They choose to believe or disbelief in the God of the Bible, and more specificially, His testimony about Jesus Christ (1 John 5:10) who is the only Way to the Father. If God unconditionally and individually loves all men, then how do "unconditionally loved" people end up in hell for all eternity?

(I am not a universalist and I believe what Jesus said about hell.)

I believe God passes over those that are already going to hell. Adam doomed everyone but God sent Jesus to save some. God didn't have to do anything. Its like on auto, that all men will pay for the punishment. All God did was save some.