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The Song of Solomon is seen as a beautiful picture of the ideal Israel, the chosen people whom the Lord leads by degrees to a greater understanding and closer union in the bond of perfect love. Such readings of the Song build on Israels covenant tradition. Isaiah (Is 5:17; 54:48; 62:5), Jeremiah (Jer 2:2, 3, 32), and Ezekiel (Ez 16; 23) all characterize the covenant between the Lord and Israel as a marriage.
There were many Fatima appearances. I believe them. I celebrate the occurances, but I can see where the doubts about the sun lie. What I believe is the fruits of the "Miracle of Fatima". I believe that there's a reason Mary appeared where, when and to whom she appeared.I was asking personally. Do you not believe in the Fatima appearance?
Really? Someone appearing and saying "Pray to God" isn't of God?That they did. But as already stated, it can be shown that these miracles aren't of God.
I can agree with that.
Actually I would say that these are more than likely supernatural. That wouldn't make them any less of a false miracle though.
Mary answered the Angel saying "Fiat", "Let it be done unto me." "Yes." This implies that she could have said "No" or "Find someone else."
If we meet in a coffee shop, and have coffee, and upon parting, I say the archaic "Until we meet again." Does that imply that we will meet again?
There were many Fatima appearances. I believe them. I celebrate the occurances, but I can see where the doubts about the sun lie. What I believe is the fruits of the "Miracle of Fatima". I believe that there's a reason Mary appeared where, when and to whom she appeared.
Look at the place and the time. Portugal became independent and secularized. There was civil war. The Law of Separation allows divorce, outlaws religious weddings, abolishes illegitimacy, secularized cemeteries and forbad all catechism. In two generations, Catholicism was all but completely eliminated in Portugal. After 1912/1915 uprisings, 17,000 priests and Religious were murdered. In one of the apparitions, Mary tells the children "If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church". Her requests were not heeded, and the period of the World Wars and Communism/Cold War ensued. I believe the third Secret was completed by John Paul II. The fruits have not been completed yet.
Really? Someone appearing and saying "Pray to God" isn't of God?
Where does it say that? I thought you believe the Bible literally. It says lusting after a woman. Men and women often, in today's world, have the false image that it's ok in marriage. Most television and commercials help portray that, too.I have already shown you. Paul instructs us to marry if we cannot avoid lust.
What Christ forbid is lusting after a woman to whom you are NOT married to.
I think you have to look at what comes from them. If someone sees the Shroud of Turin as the image of Christ, and comes to Christ, how is that wrong? My belief is that both the Shroud and the Holy Face are real images of Our Lord. And the Church has not sanctioned them, or denied them.
I do. So what?I take it you do not own any electrical gadgets in your house?
Umm, lust is merely having a great desire for something. Clearly, Rev Randy is trying to create his own definition of the word lust. Maybe, you should ask him where he got such a definition.
epithumeó: desire, lust after
Original Word: ἐπιθυμέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: epithumeó
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-thoo-meh'-o)
Short Definition: I long for, covet, lust after
Definition: I long for, covet, lust after, set the heart upon.
1937 epithyméō (from 1909 /epí, "focused on" intensifying 2372 /thymós, "passionate desire") properly, to show focused passion as it aptly builds on (Gk epi, "upon") what a person truly yearns for; to "greatly desire to do or have something 'to long for, to desire very much' " (L & N, 1, 25.12).
Word Origin
from epi and thumos
Definition
desire, lust after
NASB Translation
covet (2), coveted (1), craved (1), desire (1), desired (2), desires (1), gladly (1), long (3), longing (1), lust (2), sets its desire (1).
Solomon, as a chip off the ol' block, had an issue with lust. It got him, and his father both in hot water.So, the songs of Solomon got absolutely nothing to do with Solomon having strong sexual desire for his wives? Right....
You get the point. Even your saying about the coffee doesn't mean you did drink it. I said my example was an archaic use. But the Bible is about an archaic time, no? The point is the until does not necessarily mean that it will happen. There is, btw, nowhere in Scripture that says that Mary had children. There are instances of Jesus having siblings. Not the same thing.Right. I already said that the only thing we see is Mary agreeing to do what God said. You're right, she could have said no, or shown disbelief, but that doesn't change the fact that she wasn't asked. She is simply told "This is going to happen" and she said "Ok"
I don't know how you say goodbye, but I don't tell anyone "until we meet again" unless I plan on meeting them again. That said, your example is off. It be more like saying "I didn't drink my coffee until it cooled off".
Where does it say that? I thought you believe the Bible literally. It says lusting after a woman. Men and women often, in today's world, have the false image that it's ok in marriage. Most television and commercials help portray that, too.
Solomon, as a chip off the ol' block, had an issue with lust. It got him, and his father both in hot water.
You get the point. Even your saying about the coffee doesn't mean you did drink it. I said my example was an archaic use. But the Bible is about an archaic time, no? The point is the until does not necessarily mean that it will happen. There is, btw, nowhere in Scripture that says that Mary had children. There are instances of Jesus having siblings. Not the same thing.
I have already shown you. Paul instructs us to marry if we cannot avoid lust.
What Christ forbid is lusting after a woman to whom you are NOT married to.
I do. So what?
Let me illustrate the point of what lust is. I wanted a particular video camera. I created this excuse to buy it, even though I already had a camera, perfectly good for the purpose. I wanted the other one, anyway. I got the other one, anyway. I had other uses for the money I spent on the camera, I didn't need it. That can be considered lust. It's something disordered. There are many areas of lust in society today. Any time you pursue something without God as your primary purpose, you violate the commandment. To finish the story, the purpose for me to have the camera fizzled out. I no longer had my excuse, even though I had already bought the camera. After a little soul-searching, I returned the camera. Because of this action, there was no longer that lust. Again, we do this over many things today. The latest technology, for one. Food, for another.
what we have here is a breakdown of communication
lust is the inordinate desire
so lust would be linked to objectification and selfishness
sexual desire is not the same as lust
so while it is good and healthy for a married couple to have sexual desire for each other
we would not encourage lust
Whether you have a problem or not with the doctrine is up to you.
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Again, sorry you don't like the argument. All you had to say is "I don't like this argument, it doesn't ring with me." Or something like that.
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what we have here is a breakdown of communication
lust is the inordinate desire
so lust would be linked to objectification and selfishness
sexual desire is not the same as lust
so while it is good and healthy for a married couple to have sexual desire for each other
we would not encourage lust
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