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How can it draw attention away from Jesus if it IS Jesus?
I guess you missed it...the lady appeared to the children many times. And her message was always pointed to God and Jesus.
What gives you the idea that what they're doing is worshipping?
Originally Posted by Franny50
If Protestants believe Mary Is the mother of God,then why is it impossible for her to perform a miracle,when the Apostles performed miracles in Jesus's name.
I am Catholic and believe there is a place for Mary in Christian worship as long as our Lord comes first.
As for your question,I do not believe that the evidence of these apparitions can be disputed when there are tens of thousands of witnesses and scientific evidence.
Blood in the Eucharist has been scientifically proven. Nobody said anything about Fatima being scientifically proven, but 17,000 witnesses is compelling.
I doubt an atheist would agree it's proof. Now I accept it but that's by faith.God.
1. The Scriptures. The miracles that Jesus performed fulfilled all that was written of the Messiah by the prophets (Isaiah 61:1-2, Luke 4:16-20).
2. The miracles themselves proves Jesus was the Anointed One of God (John 3:2).
You men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the middle of you, as you yourselves also know: Acts 2:22
3. The prophecy spoken by Christ concerning the destruction of the Temple was fulfilled.
Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” Matthew 24:1-2
Anyway, since you are unable to prove that the miracle at Fatima is from God, why should I believe in it? Didn't the LORD say we should ALWAYS test the spirits to see if they are from Him (1 John 4:1, 2 Peter 2:1, Matthew 7:15)?
PS. I was not asking for scientific proof. All I want is Scripture backing that the so-called miracles experienced by those 3 little children was from God.
Pray to Crom.
Pray to Mary.
Same results.
Pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus in faith.
That is the prayer that works!
Hebrews gives more than a hint about why miracles are given by God.How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? (Hebrews 2:3-4)
Kinda like following the teachings of a modern day prophet?
Interesting that you'd complain about the way that Catholics pray, worship, and live godly lives and that you'd turn to 1 John 4:1 for support of your condemnation of the events at Fatima when it is precisely the words of saint John in 1 John 4:2-3 that point to the genuineness of the message from Fatima.The message of Fatima both confesses Jesus come in the flesh and calls the faithful to remember that he shall come again to judge the world.Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:2-3)
You're assuming that they are genuine, however, just that the power behind them is demonic rather than Godly. But most of them have been shown to be nothing more than hoaxes or hallucinations.There are no Mary apparitions. Those are demonic. It's either satan or demons appearing as a woman, to further deceive people.
You're assuming that they are genuine, however, just that the power behind them is demonic rather than Godly. But most of them have been shown to be nothing more than hoaxes or hallucinations.
I'd say Crom and Mary are a bit different. One was made up and the other is real. One is a false god and the other the mother of Christ. One is (supposedly) worshipped and the other asked for intercessory prayer. One is a Hollywood fabrication and the other blessed.
Interesting that you'd complain about the way that Catholics pray, worship, and live godly lives and that you'd turn to 1 John 4:1 for support of your condemnation of the events at Fatima when it is precisely the words of saint John in 1 John 4:2-3 that point to the genuineness of the message from Fatima.
The message of Fatima both confesses Jesus come in the flesh and calls the faithful to remember that he shall come again to judge the world.Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:2-3)
Christ says otherwise, as does the book of Revelation.I can't speak for anyone else, but personally (and we're in the minority here) my denomination holds to the biblical teaching that when you die you, well you know, die. There is no life after death. Man was not created with an immortal soul. Etc. Therefore whenever I hear about Marian apparitions, I can't help but associate those with the demonic.
And in regards to the miracles. Well when I look at scripture I see the lame walking, the blind seeing, the deaf hearing, and the mute speaking. Those are miracles. Your Eucharistic miracles are miracles in the sense that the unnatural happens, but they aren't God given miracles.
We're not talking about statues weeping. Or Mary's face in toast. We're talking about substantial, repeat apparitions, and enduring Eucharistic miracles.Uncharitable??
It's dangerous if it's not true!
But why uncharitable? What does love have to do with truth in
this case? I LOVE catholic people, but if I think that this thing
is demonic it would be less loving for me to pretend it's not?
Nuuu.. don't think so.
Besides, isn't demonic oppression everywhere?
Even in protestant churches??
So, to look at it from an unbiased POV:
are they hoax, genuine or demonic?
dunno.
Could God make statues weep?
SURE,
Would He?
Can't see WHY that would happen.
And it's ONLY happening in catholicism.
Which makes it seem much more doubtful.
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