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If women scare you because of feminism, I think it's you that has the problem, not feminism.
While you may be right on the rude part, I only treated people the way I was being treated Luke 6:31.
So you're saying that Satan is capable of replicating that happiness? That Satan can replicate the holy spirit, and then form himself into the silhouette of Jesus without me noticing? That I repented my sins to Satan? And have been repenting my sins to Satan this entire time?
That Satan sent angels to me after prayer?
That, my entire views of scripture have been put upon me by Satan?
I am willing to listen to you. I always DID listen to you. But, I just find it extremely hard to believe.
Also, a majority of the people in this thread HAVE been trying to help and support me. Always notice, the only people that have been not and the people who have been against me following God's path were somehow feminists...
I HAVE listened to everyone in this thread, even if I acted in anger against some of them. And I am actively putting several of the suggestions into motion.
Remember, Satan masquerades as an angel of light to decieve the brethern.
You have been told and shown over and over where your views are incorrect by both men and women and you refuse their counsel. THAT is acting against biblical counsel.
You must look at the WHOLE of scripture which had been pointed out to you over and over.
First, welcome to Christian Forums and the Married Couples forum!
First thing - when a husband tells a woman about "her place", it is not a good feeling at all. If you hold to that marriage model, a pastor or marriage counselor should have discussed that beforehand. That said, you are now married, yet in a place where you both disagree with the roles of men and women. Be careful about telling a woman what "her place" is. I consider my husband to be the spiritual head of our house - but he has NEVER told me what "my place" is as a wife. If you state things in a demeaning way, intentionally or unintentionally, it makes sense that she would take offense. I don't know how you phrased it, but it sounds like it may not have been phrased properly based on the rest of your post.
So the tarot cards and witchcraft are not right; I'll give you that much. On what way was she disrespectful? Do you mean that she didn't see men as the heads of the house and that women and men weren't equal?
Careful here - don't judge someone else's salvation!
You say she dropped out of university. Did you ask her to do that?? Is that what you told her she needed to do to respect you? Have you considered that some of us struggle with keeping house, and it may not be intentional? Also, consider that you both should work on that and that a "woman's place" isn't necessarily cooking / cleaning / raising children. Even in a marriage following the male leadership model doesn't mean that a woman is necessarily the main person responsible for that. It's good that she is not practicing witchcraft. That said, you shouldn't be "instructing her". Be a leader, yes. Encourage her, yes. Love her more than your own life - YES. Instructing her...well, be careful with that.
I think I will likely be one of the more mild responses here, and even I feel defensive for your wife when reading this. A wife should respect her husband, but you shouldn't demand it. You should love her more than yourself and consider what is best for her needs as well.
Why do you feel the need to control the finances? Where does it scripturally say that is the man's job? Even the scriptures describing "a good wife" shows her running the household and keeping tabs on the workers of the home. It implies hat this would include managing money in it as well. A healthy marriage considers what each other is best at, and divies out the duties that way. This is applicable to all marriages, including ones that follow the model of the husband being the spiritual head.
Wow. Yea, it sounds like you don't treat her with respect. I am reminded how blessed I am to have my husband. I struggle with cleaning, but my husband is encouraging. He sees my improvements and thanks me for all I do. He takes care of his own mess and helps with joint cleaning. In this same manner, I help him with learning about cutting back on spending money and being more economical. I also encourage him in this. The same thing happens in various areas of our marriage.
Ultimately, I respect him wholeheartedly and I will trust his decisions. That said, he recognizes my strengths and wants me to make decisions in areas that are my strengths. If he vetoed it, I would follow his lead. In over a year of marriage, he has never exercised that choice, despite me being willing to accept his lead.
I'll reiterate about the cleaning: when you struggle with that, it isn't an easy transition. If we try and get better, it helps to have encouragement, not someone saying we aren't doing enough. If you get frustrated with how something is looking cleanliness-wise, consider suggesting that you both take some time to clean things up together. Thank her when she does better. Don't disparage her for not being perfect immediately.
Love her more than yourself. Be willing to have your own self die for her. My pastor said in our marriage sermon - You (pointing to me) submit. You (pointing to my husband) die. That is the only way a husband spiritual head model works. You put her needs before yours. She trusts and respects you willingly. You acknowledge her strengths and encourage her. She acknowledges her weaknesses and works on them. The same applies the opposite direction.
Consider how a husband should act according to the Biblical model you are following. Fix the way you are supposed to act, and I believe her response will adjust as well.
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
- that is what the verse says. It doesn't say if someone is ugly to me I can treat them ugly too. You treat people as you would wish to be treated. I think you may have misread that - it happens!
I'm not sure what you feel you are struggling with then - or why you started the thread. You said she was an EX Feminist. So, discussing feminism when she isn't one anymore? It's confusing.
I'd be JUST as confused if she came here and started a thread stating my EX Atheist husband needs to be taught to live more biblical. I mean since you are a Christian now. Then she goes on to list all the traits or stereotypes of the Atheist - which you no longer are - and so it no longer applies. Yet, she tries to tell us that is why she is afraid.
It tells me you don't forgive the past, and maybe are struggling with letting that go. That is human too. Maybe ask God to help you get over that part so you will be the husband YOU and SHE know you can be.
If you wanted to debate feminism - by all means plenty of people will do that for you. Yet, why now? It has nothing to do with the here and now.
The way you describe things in relation to your wife seems like coercion - not biblical instruction. I would think you don't speak to her like that in real life. The bible does show how we can guide people, but unless we are in a parent/child dynamic you don't 'tell them what to do'. You guide them, and God woo's them. Faith in our Lord allows us to know that he will take the wheel. lol that's NOT to say our guiding job is DONE! Yet, you have to allow him to do the HEAVY lifting!
Sounds like you have a lack of forgiveness towards her past, and that is a nut you need to crack...and get on with your life. You don't need to tell the world about the 'evils' about feminism. Your plate is full at home with a NEW kind of dynamic. Right?!
Where is Lilith in the bible?
Ok...The first feminist was called Lilith. Because of her rebellion to the order of God she was cast out of the garden and became the demon of darkness and of Creatures of the night. And her name is also desolation.
So God took a rib from Eve...created for him and HELP-MEET....not his boss. This made Adam the mother and father of Eve...and also her husband and brother..That Eve would Love honor and obey her husband. There came a time when Eve thought she knew more than Adam and became deceived and Adam listened to Eve and chose to go into the Fall with her...
That is why God at the fall set the order...saying that Adam (man) should rule over Eve and that her desires should be to her husbands. (Aligned with her husband). To receive the honor in heaven to be called a daughter of Sara...who called her husband Abraham ...My lord. They must do the same on the earth. A prophecy for our times...from the Mouth of God by Isaiah.
Isaiah 3:12 - As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Women throughout the ages have enlarged the mouth of hell..because they meddled in things they had no right to do. For example..Sarah did not wait on the promises of the Lord concerning having a son....seeing she was old...so she gave her servant Agar to Abraham to father a son for her. And Abraham did as she bid and Ishmael was born...the Originator of the Arab nations...who have been the scourge of the world for the last 1500 years.
I am not scared or intimidated by strong women. I know that the women of today have been deceived by Satan and by his inspired philosophies. Women today have become haughty, rebellious and un-ruly. This is due because the way Satan constructed society. They do not see when this society fall...and mechanical things cease to exist...that things will have to revert as it was in the beginning. God made man bigger and stronger than women...so that they would be able to do the hard labors required for the survival of the family.
Again as for you feminist...God will take your supports away...and you will see how you have been deceived by Satan...and why you could not find true happiness and joy that were yours by inheritance.
You adopted children because you had not the faith of the Ancients who also were childless into their old age. And even though these received only one child...but what a child it was...For Elizabeth it was John the Baptist,,,,Mary was also born of aged parents so were many prophets and holy men of the bible..
We are to overcome the world. And live according to how God said we should. To do otherwise is to fail to inherit the promises. God allows us at this time to do it our way...but there shall be penalties to it.
Dan
Ok...
Nothing you said relates to my response. I'm not even a feminist! (Depending on the definition at least). I am a woman who follows the model of my husband being the head of the household. That doesn't mean he rules over me though. That also is MY choice. It's not a statement saying we aren't equal though. My husband doesn't lord over me.
You say that over the sages, women enlarged the mouth of Hell (??). Consider this: it was a woman (Mary) who obeyed the will of God and through her obedience bore our Savior. Through Christ's love, we are redeemed. God used a woman to fulfill his will in that.
And where did I say I adopted children???
Where in Isaiah - in passing?
She is Jewish Folklore!
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