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how do i let go of this friendship or should i?

JoshuaM

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I was involved with a foreign girl online until May. Then after for several months she kept telling me both how much she loved me and demeaning me completely. Recently I woke up to the fact that Satan always uses her to make me depressed and that she claims to have faith in God but really doesn't believe God works in mysterious ways at all. So I stopped believing pursuing her is a good idea. But now I am thinking she is not a good person to be friends with because she lies to everybody about her age, some people she says she has kids, some she says no she doesn't. She fusses at me for trying to get to know Christian girls on on nonchristian website, but is on a nonchristian website not professing to be a christian, and just looking for any man.

Recently she was worried about having difficulty talking to a man younger than me because he thinks he loves her.. And I come to realize she cares more about desperate people she thinks she can control. which further leads me to think she only cares about herself.

She types lots of prayers online for people, and leads a lot of people to think she is a loving, mature Christian.. But she even told me before she responds a lot so people will respond to her.. But even though i did not pay attention to it much, i realize she has constantly lied to people about me and others to turn people against each other.

When I joined this site she was saying i was cheating simply because some of my friends are girls that i talk to, even though i did not involve with them. Recently she said i said she is evil and bad simply because i pointed out some negative things she was doing to me and that they are hurtful. I told her some qualities i've come to realize a woman in a Christian relationship needs to have from meeting her and some sister, but she changes that to a lie that i said i plan to marry the other person. She says she is not jealous our most recent conversations are all her insulting me for working with this friend of mine and calling the woman my secret lover whom i replaced my ex with.. my ex that broke up with me even accidentally called herself my girlfriend in one of those conversations. She frequently tells me "as a Christian you should do everything for me" and she talks like everything in her life is my responsibility as a Christian and that i should be 100% devoted to her as a Christian even though she says she does not want me around, and she broke up with me.

Even recently she seemed to suggest that I needed to find a church for her in her country so she can meet foreign men..

She ruined our relationship and now she ruins our friendship but it hurts so much because even if i feel we are not a match, i still love her and i am hurt by all her lies and manipulation. how do i move on? i hate this idea that friendship is over because she wants it over because she isn't winning in manipulating me. But the same time I can't stand that she keeps going online winning people to her side by dishonesty and manipulation, pretending she cares about everybody so people will give her attention.

She even recently told a person I am working with that is just starting a business that i am stupid to work with her and not get a different job.. She also expressed that without her, I am nothing, that i am a poor man who nobody will help except her (but she hasn't helped me), and said i said things i didn't to defend herself for not doing anything. and for many months, even over a year, i put a lot of energy into helping her the best of my ability, but she says i did nothing. She says I ask her for help. but i only ask for prayer. everything else is stuff she offers but does not do even though she believes she is the solution to my troubles. she acts like she spent all her energy to help me, when that in fact is a lie, because she only helped me a bit by sending me cheap medicines that may or may not be dangerous (over the counter) before she knew me. when we were dating her "help" was trying to make me think like Bill Gates so i will make lots of money for her to marry me. after dating, sometimes she would send a webpage with advice on dealing with stuff, but the past several months she has been more concerned with insulting me and lying about me, yet the same time she gets mad if i tell her those are wrong and point out she needs to treat me better as a friend, and stop thinking of me as a tool like she even said to me after break up that is all i am to her.....

i do not know how to deal with it. it makes me feel sick and it eats me up. She will see this and say "if he is christian how can he say these things" but they are true. and i know she still is making a lot of men close to her and lying to them so she can marry one fast, but she complains at me for being honest and talking to girls that i am not pursuing until the Lord directs one is right...

It's always this way, she tries to manipulate me, lies about me even to me, says i need a lot of help, pretends i never helped her and acts like she should be my main focus even though she refuses to talk to me, and it hurts me deeply and she doesn't care. She says she thinks she needs to send me money, and acts like saying that is helping me a lot, when all i really need from her is a true Christian friendship which is loving, with honesty, encouragement, and constructive criticism, as well as prayer. Her trying to control me and destructive criticism and lies are not helping me. Neither is her elevating herself and saying of herself how great and good she is to defend herself for her negative action.

And dear, if you read this, i know it may hurt a little, but i am not trying to hurt you in telling the truth. i really cherish all the good times together and i love you, and will do what i feel the Lord leads because that is best even if we do not understand.
 

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What makes you think you have a friendship? She does things to hurt you, tell lies, recruits people against you, tries to hurt your business. There is no friendship there. Maybe there was at one time, but it's over. You can't even make the decision as to whether it should be over, she has decided and boy is it over.

The two of you explored if there could be a relationship between you, the answer was no. She is making the no abundantly clear.

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there could have been if she didn't make it about controlling me and using me. it is unfortunate what has happened. for me, it is easier to let go of a potential relationship with her, than let go of everything else, and wanting a healed friendship. i do love this woman even though she hurt me, and she is hard to forget. i surely do not want to date her but i wish she would apologize and be honest and stop using people and try to be a good Christian friend more than try to make herself look greater than everybody. i do not think i am super, or awesome, or great or good, but i'm not trying to pretend i am somebody else to make everybody think i am great.. with all the lies, i am uncertain to what is true about her, and why she thinks she must get attention by manipulation and dishonesty.

it is hard to let go of a loved one. i feel similar to when a loved one who is close dies. it is the same feeling. You know when a loved one hurts you deeply, it is like if loved one dies.
 
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. (1 Corinthians 13:4-8)

I think we all know that letting go is the best thing to do - her love for you is not evident; and you are not releasing your love for her in this action.

It is the law to love others, and to let go of physical contact does not take away love - like a loved one leaving this world does not take away your love for that person. Do what's best, and pray. Hope you make it through alright, as I'm sure you will.
 
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. (1 Corinthians 13:4-8)
i think every Christian including myself are guilty of not making every decision out of pure unconditional love. Apparently though, it is easier to have purer love when seeking God first and giving without expecting something selfishly out of it..

I think we all know that letting go is the best thing to do - her love for you is not evident; and you are not releasing your love for her in this action.
yes, no matter what she did i cannot hate her. there is some old saying "sometimes love means letting go" and i think it is the same in this case. she may not understand it herself even why i can't give her total attention in every way she wants as a regular long-distance Christian brother.. but she doesn't need to know me better, she needs to know God better and learn how to let Him work in her. I think sometimes maybe i see she wants that and has her own personal struggles which in her case have a lot of bitterness and fear of needing to control everything and fear that honesty is going to hurt her.

It is the law to love others, and to let go of physical contact does not take away love - like a loved one leaving this world does not take away your love for that person. Do what's best, and pray. Hope you make it through alright, as I'm sure you will.

You are correct, i need to pray for her, and pray for myself. Sometimes the best love is a love that is expressed through prayer and to be at a distance..
 
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Even a seemingly lousy relationship has its Good Points.

Joshua, it is wonderful that you analyzed this relationship, and have sized up the weaknesses in it.

I recommend that you spend a few hours, writing about each of the Good Times you have experienced because of this girl.

Part of the reason you may be feeling like you are is that you have forgotten what about her "perked" your Life up.

Each relationship is imperfect.
This realtionship, also, is imperfect.

But, as they say: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If you perform a Good Things inventory, you will have a balanced "record" to look at.
Then, one of two things will occur:
1) You will see that she has affected your Life for the better, but she ALSO affects your Life the other way sometimes; or
2) She seemed to be nice all along, but you were reading a whole lot more into it ... and really she was never helping you feel better about your Life. That you "dreamed" that it was much better than it was.

Many people remain in relationships which are mostly negative.
It is not a bad thing, as long as you can "handle" it.
God does not give us a perfect Life ... and, neither do people.

And, even if you eventually decide to break-it-off with her, you might as well keep talking ... until you can find another girl to take her place.
 
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Joshua, you misunderstood what I meant: "the good points are all "used to's" there is no "relationship" ... i asked about letting go of hopes of any remaining friendship."


When I say "relationship" I mean ANY residual contact or feelings for her (i.e., friendship).

If there is Truly "no Good points" with this person, then WHY are asking if you should retain the friendship with her?

This is where I was going in my prior Post.
Decide if there are any assets to the friendship.
If there are none, then the answer should be self-evident ... unless
1) you are masochistic (and enjoy being mistreated); or
2) you are still grateful for the Good Old days with her.
 
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i will always be grateful for the good days with her. i will always care about her and love her even though it is apparent and strongly probable that the best love in this case is letting go. This is why it is hard to let go. It is very hard to let go because despite how much i feel hurt if i think about it, i love her very much. Even though I don't appreciate being mistreated, I am not really against her. But to me it looks like God will have us go separate directions because she does not appear to love me and I have realized that God knows the best woman for me, and I am able to love other people, it just will take some time before I can be romantic again or date a person again.
 
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Joshua responded: "it just will take some time before I can be romantic again or date a person again."

I will begin with the end of my other Post: "And, even if you eventually decide to break-it-off with her, you might as well keep talking ... until you can find another girl to take her place."

The easiest way to get over a painful love-interest is to find ANOTHER love-interest.
At this point, most of that first pain will fade, and then (because you Let Go of that hole-in-your-heart), you can see the EX in a new (and almost pain-less light).

Because of your Deep feelings for her, it seems silly to break it off totally ... unless (feeling like that) you will NOT actually pursue another girl to love.
So, if you think that you will not want to find a new love-interest, then you better Let Go completely of the EX, so you can go through the Healing Process.

Since your EX does several things that hurt you, I would minimize bringing up subjects that she can use to hurt you. This would preclude discussing the girls you hang around with (so you won't be cheating) ... or discussing business ... you can see where this is going.

That being said, eventually you will (probably) stop seeing this girl.
This is because of the pain you feel (because of your intense Love for her).
It is easier to befriend an EX who you don't obsess so much about.
If, however, your feelings were LESS intense (as they will be when you find the next Miss Right), then (maybe) you could become Life-long friends with your EX.
 
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