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How do I ACTUALLY be saved?

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"They have known His voice."

Unfortunately, we are all born deaf as well.

When the earth was cursed, everything from it is cursed. Our bodies being from the earth is cursed. Our bodies are born cursed because of sin and our sinful bodies made our spirits filthy and dead as well. And the wages of sin is death. The dead cannot see and hear. Therefore we are born blind and deaf.

Through the law, we realise that we are only filthy decaying bodies and damaged spirits not worthy of anything but judgment and damnation. Only those who are in this very low position genuinely asks God (not for earthly blessings as the hypocrites do but) for mercy.

And it is only when we realise our sinful state that God will show mercy and the Holy Spirit (the Word) will reveal to us Christ’s salvation works on the cross. When this happens, we are born again and this is the second birth that gives birth to a living spirit first and later on our bodies will be made perfect as well.
 
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Not quite sure what you're getting at there Chinchilla. I am not claiming that we save ourselves.
If you think you need to do somethin to keep your salvation then Christ was not enought and it's of works .
 
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1 Peter 8-12 (World English Bible - public domain)
8 Finally, be all like-minded, compassionate, loving as brothers, tender hearted, courteous, 9 not rendering evil for evil, or insult for insult; but instead blessing; knowing that to this were you called, that you may inherit a blessing. 10 For,

“He who would love life,
and see good days,
let him keep his tongue from evil,
and his lips from speaking deceit.
11 Let him turn away from evil, and do good.
Let him seek peace, and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous,
and his ears open to their prayer;
but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”
 
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1 John 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. (eternal security through abiding in Christ for ever. Condition of promise: that we do the will of God).

1 John 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. (the effect of abiding is a holy life).
 
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prayerfully beg for mercy and hope you get it.

outside of that, there is no method to get saved because it has nothing to do with you.

Not really .
Romans 10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The call is when the gospel is revealed to you by somebody sent by God and preached to you

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Prayer for salvation is not Scriptural never seen a verse in the bible .
 
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KJV- Acts 2:38 Repent and be baptized in Jesus name and you receive the Holy Spirit.

John 3:5 unless a man be born of water and Spirit he can't enter God's kingdom.

Romans 6:14-16 Sin doesn't rule you because you are not under the law but grace, but don't keep sinning just because you are under grace, who you yield yourself to you are a servant to unto death whether thats sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.

Once saved always saved is a church thing I don't think that's bibical at all please read

Hebrews 6:4-8 it talks about people who have been born again who fall away and in verse 8 it says their end it to be burned.

Personally I think that's people who get born again and just don't care and do whatever they want and never repent but yeah just meditate on it cause it says it's impossible to renew those people once they've already been born again. And says they will end in destruction so I think that answers your once saved always saved questions. Nope, we fall away we can go to the lake of fire too.
 
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Yes really,

Your scriptural references merely describe what those whom the LORD has effectually called and drawn to Himself will do.

Read John 6.
 
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No, we need to obey the Lord's commandments. Sin causes trouble in our lives.
 
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Yes really,

Your scriptural references merely describe what those whom the LORD has effectually called and drawn to Himself will do.

Read John 6.

1 Corinthians 1:22-24 King James Version (KJV)
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
 
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In Eph 2:8 the gift is salvation, by grace and through faith. The process of salvation is taken as a whole in regards to source, reason, and mechanism. Paul contrasts salvation by grace and through faith with 'works', for man cannot achieve salvation by his own merit. 'Faith' and 'grace' are in the feminine gender in the Greek, but the gift of God is in the neuter gender. In Greek, this then applies the 'gift' to the entire clause. You are correct that we must repent and believe in Jesus, but the actual saving comes from God. Faith itself does not save on it's own - rather God gives us the salvation Christ brings and justification through Christ's blood through that faith.
http://ebible.com/answers/24715?ori=167400
http://ebible.com/answers/14614?ori=167400

But once we believe, we die to the law and God raises us with Christ (Rom :4, Col 2:12-14, Gal 3:26-27, etc.) We are given the indwelling Holy Spirit to help us. While we struggle with the flesh, we are no longer counted as 'sinners' before God as we died to the law and He views us through the blood of Christ. We have far more resources, including the very power of God working in us, then we had as unbelievers.

If you were to deliberately reject faith in the future this would not be a matter of you struggling with sin - but deliberately returning to slavery to sin. There is no need to fear such a thing 'accidentally' occurring - the rejection of faith is deliberate. (Heb 10:26-27, I Tim 1:18-19, Heb 6:4-8, John 15:1-7, Rom 11:21-23, etc.)

And to clarify, continuing in faith has NOTHING to do with good works, excepting that a continuing faith will show good works. (I.E. you don't do good works to keep faith, but continuing faith bears fruit) Faith is belief in Christ and Christ's work - that He is the Messiah who brings salvation. It's trust in His work, not trying to please God with our own works. In fact, if we are still trying to please God with our own works and think that is what keeps us saved that is directly contrary to faith, and no man can be justified by trying to please God by works (The book of Galatians gets into this in depth.)

2. Based on question 1 above, is there anything in the Bible that could give me confidence that I won't lose salvation in the future?

You can have every confidence that you will be saved if you believe. We receive salvation from the first moment of faith, hold it as we continue in faith (Jn 3:16, etc.) and receive the final promises at the judgement. But these promises are only to believers. Someone who rejects faith doesn't 'lose' salvation so much as they deliberately give it back, returning to their former state before believing, and reject the claim to any future inheritance.

But salvation is only given through faith. There is no confidence in scripture that someone who rejects faith will be saved - quite the opposite. There are many warnings that they will be burned, destroyed, and are indeed in a worse state than unbelievers who never believed even temporarily. (Heb 6:4-8, II Pet 2:20-22, Jn 15:1-6, etc)

This is why there are so many exhortations in scripture to abide/remain in Christ, stand firm in faith, don't turn back, hold firmly to the gospel we have received, etc. And why Jesus warns that we 'count the cost' before we follow Him to begin with (Lk 6:92, Lk 14:28-29, etc.) and to endure to the end (Matt 10:22, etc.) A prior, long past faith will not save us at the judgement.
http://ebible.com/answers/7716?ori=167400

"So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For, “In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.” And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.” But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved." Heb 10:35-39

"For if we go on sinning deliberately [return to a state of willful slavery to sin] after receiving the true knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled down the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?" Heb 6:26-29



The GotQuestions link does not stand up under scrutiny. The Gotquestions.org answer contains some good information as to how salvation works and correctly places being born again AFTER belief, but it's ultimate claim of proof for eternal security isn't any of the scriptures it presents, but philosophy. Namely,

"Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away. (d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ." (e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error."

Note the shift from explicit scriptures showing what God does (raise us to new life, give indwelling spirit, etc.) to philosophical claims about what God doing those 'must' also indicate. Yet does scripture actually back up any of those philosophical follow-up claims? No.

Jn 3:16, which He uses to claim eternal life cannot be lost, doesn't show that at all. The Greek says whoever believes (active, present, ongoing) will not perish (future) and holds (active, present, ongoing) eternal life. Holding eternal life is conditional on faith. There is nothing in the Greek of the phrase 'eternal life' to imply that if one could hold it temporarily but later give it up that would make it less eternal, despite English connotations one might read in. We hold eternal life because we have the life of Christ in us now as we continue in faith and will later get new Spiritual, immortal bodies at the judgement.

Scripture doesn't treat someone who rejects faith as becoming unborn, but rather as dying a second time or somehow being destroyed (Jd 1:12, Lk 8:13, I Tim 1:18-20, Heb 10:38-39, James 5:19, etc.). Just as a person physically born can later physically die, so a person spiritually born again can later choose death if they reject faith. Gotquestions attempts an argument from silence, that scripture never specifically says the exact phrase 'and lose the new birth,' while simultaneously rejecting all the clear and unambiguous cases in scripture where someone is shown as falling away from faith and subsequently being destroyed.
http://ebible.com/answers/14123?ori=167400
http://ebible.com/answers/28836?ori=167400
http://ebible.com/answers/7716?ori=167400

And there is plenty of scriptural support for someone becoming detached from the body of Christ if they reject faith! Jn 15:4-6, Rom 11:17-24, Lk 12:42-46, Heb 3:12, etc.) What else would one call it to be cut out of Christ and cut out of the people of God?

Lastly, the Gotquestions link attempts to use Romans 8:38–39 which states 'nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord' to mean we cannot reject faith. But not only is this contextually unsupported (the passage is about God protecting us from outside powers) but it is not supported even within the text. Where is the love of God? "Inside Christ Jesus our Lord." If we reject faith, then we reject this love as we are no longer inside Christ! That isn't God divorcing/separating us from His love - it's us divorcing Christ. (Much how in Isa 50:1 God shows that He did not divorce/send Israel away first - rather Israel was sent away for first rejecting Him.)


Pleasing God by good works is *not* continuing in Christ by faith. Trying to please God by works cannot save anyone. I recommend reading Galatians. Faith is in every way contrasted with works of the law and boasting. And I would recommend turning your fear of not loving God in future into a positive - use it to rely on God more, trust Him more, ask Him for help, etc. Because if you are trusting in God and not yourself, and relying on His power and not your own, and continuing to grow in Christ, then you aren't in danger of deliberately rejecting faith,
 
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If you think you need to do somethin to keep your salvation then Christ was not enought and it's of works .

Agreed. Thankfully, I feel that it is God who keeps us saved through his word and sacraments.
 
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Right now, I do believe and love God, but because of my great sin, I feel that in the future I might fall away from God.

If you could lose your salvation, that implies that you earned it. Salvation is by the grace of God in Jesus Christ. You did nothing to earn it, therefore you cannot lose it. That is not to say that the Christian does not sin, nor that sin does not grieve the Holy Spirit. By if you are in Christ, you cannot fall away, because He is the one who saves you and preserves you.

If you have unrepentant sin in your life, turn from your sin this very hour and trust in Jesus Christ. If you are not dealing with your unrepentant sin, do you consider yourself a Christian?
 
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Salvation is by Christ. The dead cannot save themselves. It is possible to fall away.
 
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I will use some wisdom from Solomon Proverbs 26:5

Let's say that guy was right . What sin did God commit that he had to repent from ?

Exodus 32:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

As you see that answer is "the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
 
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As you see that answer is "the evil which he thought to do unto his people."

You did not get it , that question was unanswerable because I based it on bad presupposition . You by answering that made claim that God commited or wanted to commit a sin which is against his own nature .

The point of that question was for people to realize repentance does not mean turning away from sin .
 
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