How do creationists feel when people accuse them of lying for Jesus?

[Loudmouth]

i am one

Was your mother a virgin?

 

[Skaloop]

i am one

There's gotta be a story behind that! What happened?

 

[stone]

god speaks to me, i can hear his voice.

plus he left his book here on earth to learn from about him as well.

 

[stone]

There's gotta be a story behind that! What happened?

Is that sarcasm?

 

[stone]

Was your mother a virgin?

There is only one whose mother was a virgin.

 

[Phred]

You didn't ask any questions. How could i make your case?

Or maybe your expecting your display to part in the middle? cyber miracles..?

I said miracles don't happen today, you said they do... I asked you to name one, you said you were one. I pointed out you were NOT one.

Want to try again?

 

[stone]

Try what again? I already answered your question.

 

[Skaloop]

Is that sarcasm?

Not at all. I thought you had experienced some miraculous healing or something, and I like hearing stories about medical mysteries. If that's not what you meant, then never mind.

 

[Phred]

god speaks to me, i can hear his voice.

I doubt it. You "feel" things and you attribute these feelings to "God". Might as well attribute them to Satan or Gumby or my late Aunt Mabel. Your attribution doesn't make the thing exist.

plus he left his book here on earth to learn from about him as well.

Sure... and I learned all about Aquaman from the books he left behind. Same thing. Are you truly this gullible that you simply think because the book says goddidit that means God did it? You don't realize there are hundreds of books that say God did it? Some are in your Bible and some aren't? Your God doesn't exist. I say this with near certainty because if all the atheists and agnostics and Jews and Muslims and such left you Christians alone you'd quickly start to argue amongst yourselves about which of you had the correct deity.

 

[Phred]

There is only one whose mother was a virgin.

No... there aren't any whose mothers were virgins. If you were born your mother got some. No matter what the myth says.

 

[stone]

Ah, then your asking for a story. I have many, unfortunatley i have none of healing. Mine are usually stuff like surviving through tough situations, like when my car flew off a clift in the dessert in Mexico. Talk about an inconvenience!

I'll go fetch a story for you.

brb

 

[stone]

My 1st Angel


I was traveling to Tula to work at the Pemex refinery. Some new reactors were being installed. I was taking some transducers with me that we were going to use to inspect pipe welds and the welds on the reactors.

I guess it was about midnight, actually, i recall it was right at midnight. I was going down an incline on the mountain side. There was a convoy of 18-wheelers going up on my left and a wall of rock on my right. All of a sudden right in front of me there were a set of headlights comeing at me. I had enough time to get two words out... O' s- . lol

I remember jerking the wheel to the right, i guess hitting a wall of rock rather than a big truck was more tempting. The truck hit me. Glass flew all over the place. I remember the sound, it was not very pleasant. The car was skidding down the road, i looked back and saw the red lights from the trucks going over the top and disappear. I remember thinking, that i could not believe no one stopped! I turned back around to look in front of me and the car was skidding to a stop. My body was shaking. I made myself stop shaking, as best i could. My car was totaled. I had just bought it too.

Later, after the federales came, they made their report and all. I had to hitch a ride, and not speaking spanish, made things very difficult. When they guys i got a ride with were driveing off, i saw the federales again about a mile down the road at the scene of another wreck except this one looked much worse than mine. The people in that car were dead. The wreckage was balled up into a little crushed car.

Long story short, i had decided to have my car repaired thinking that it would be much cheaper in Mexico. Boy was i ever wrong, i got ripped off.

Several months later, I had to fly back into Mexico to go and get my car. I took a bus from Mexico City to where my car was.

The next day, while driveing out of the mountains, and this would be between Tampico and the mountain range i decided to give it a little gas, since i was out of the moutainous terrain and had some straight road now i wanted to see how it was driveing. The motor started makeing a clacking sound and looseing power. Eventually, it died and left me literally out in the middle of no where. I could see nothing around, nothing at all. I recalled seeing a little village a couple miles back so i hicked to it.

Once there i began to try and communicate that i needed some water for my car. That wasn't going very well, but they seemed to get some humor out of the fact that some foreigner was walking around out in the middle of nowhere. When i gave a few pesos it seemed to help move the negotiations along well.

I went back to the car, poured the water into the radiator and it started. i was off and down the road. As soon as i got to the next town, it died and i coasted into the 1st gas station. I went up to the clerk and tried to tell him my car was broken and that i would be back as soon as i can get a wrecker. I don't think he understood anything i said, and just said, "sisisi" lol

So i flag down a cab and get taken to a hotel, i get a room, check in, and get something to eat. This was already night tiime. I decided to go out and walk around the town square some. Everything was dead except for one place that had some people going in and out of it and small groups of people standing around outside. I went there and went in, ordered a beer and sat down. There were alot of people in there. It was big and alot of folks were danceing.

After awhile a girl came to me and started saying a whole bunch of stuff and i couldn't make any of it out. I just looked at her and smiled. lol I tried talking to her, but she just kinda smiled back and walked away. She soon returned, with what i guess would have been a group of her friends, and they all started talking to me! Jeez! i couldn't understand any of them. They just all started hanging out around me and motioning for me to go with them, so i did.

Later, i left, outside we all went. One of the girls was motioning for me to go into the back of a truck. It had a camper shell on it. I then looked into her hair and saw what looked like cob webs? and a spider! I said, no, i'm gonna go to bed and walked off, i went back to my room and went to bed. I guess my instincts kicked in or something?

The next morning, i woke up, sat up in bed. I started thinking, o great, what am i going to do now. I just spent thousands of dollars getting a car back that broke down on me on the side of the road and i'm stuck here in Mexico!

I saw something moveing up in the top right corner of the room. I looked and saw a woman standing, looking at me. She looked like a nun to me. Her head was covered with whatever you call that thing they wear. I could see her clear, except she looked so clean and the white cloth was so white. She raised her hands together to her mouth, kissed them, then threw them out towards me. A white dove flew out from her hands towards me. I watched it fly towards me, past me towards the window. I looked back to see her, and she was gone, i looked back to see the dove and it was gone. The dove had flown towards the window, so when i looked back to see the dove, all i could see out of my hotel window was an enormous beautiful catholic church. The feeling i got then was unlike anything i have ever felt before. I had never felt so at peace in all my life. It is a feeling of pure good, there was no fear, not a drop. It is just amazeing!

this was many years ago. i never really understood any of this till recently. I was in my room getting ready for work and i heard a voice tell me that i must believe the word of Jesus. I looked around and didn't see anyone. I kinda figured it was an angel, since i had been haveing lots of dreams at that time of me and angels hunting demons. They would show me where they are and i would attack them and send them back to wherever they come from. lol

So this is what has gotten me to read the bible so intensely on a daily basis now. I've learned alot from the bible that explains alot of these experiences i have had.

edit 7-28 *** today, i know why i never found the dove in the curtains, well... i've known for sometime now, just figured this is a good place to insert this bit of info, I found it right here inside of me.

 

[Phred]

Not proof of a god. Certainly not proof of a specific god.

 

[stone]

I have proof, but even then you won't believe. I already know this.

I told you that i can hear gods voice, and that he speaks to me. According to what is written by Moses there is a test for men that claim to hear his voice.

It goes something to the effect of "if any man among you claim to hear from Adonai, let him record his dreams and if that dream does not come to pass, you shall not fear him, because he has spoken falsely..etc..."

I've passed this test over and over again. I have blog entries that are dated as proof that i documented them before they happened.

I have to go now. I have a meeting in one minute and then i'm starting my vacation. I have some other questions for you guys. I'll return.

I would like to know what you think is the reason why christians ignore these test today?

 

[Phred]

It's not proof... it's finding what you wish to find. If there's a being as almighty as you say there is then you should be able to provide simple proof... for instance, why doesn't your god heal amputees?

 

[Skaloop]

My 1st Angel


I was traveling to Tula to work at the Pemex refinery. Some new reactors were being installed. I was taking some transducers with me that we were going to use to inspect pipe welds and the welds on the reactors.

I guess it was about midnight, actually, i recall it was right at midnight. I was going down an incline on the mountain side. There was a convoy of 18-wheelers going up on my left and a wall of rock on my right. All of a sudden right in front of me there were a set of headlights comeing at me. I had enough time to get two words out... O' s- . lol

I remember jerking the wheel to the right, i guess hitting a wall of rock rather than a big truck was more tempting. The truck hit me. Glass flew all over the place. I remember the sound, it was not very pleasant. The car was skidding down the road, i looked back and saw the red lights from the trucks going over the top and disappear. I remember thinking, that i could not believe no one stopped! I turned back around to look in front of me and the car was skidding to a stop. My body was shaking. I made myself stop shaking, as best i could. My car was totaled. I had just bought it too.

Later, after the federales came, they made their report and all. I had to hitch a ride, and not speaking spanish, made things very difficult. When they guys i got a ride with were driveing off, i saw the federales again about a mile down the road at the scene of another wreck except this one looked much worse than mine. The people in that car were dead. The wreckage was balled up into a little crushed car.

Long story short, i had decided to have my car repaired thinking that it would be much cheaper in Mexico. Boy was i ever wrong, i got ripped off.

Several months later, I had to fly back into Mexico to go and get my car. I took a bus from Mexico City to where my car was.

The next day, while driveing out of the mountains, and this would be between Tampico and the mountain range i decided to give it a little gas, since i was out of the moutainous terrain and had some straight road now i wanted to see how it was driveing. The motor started makeing a clacking sound and looseing power. Eventually, it died and left me literally out in the middle of no where. I could see nothing around, nothing at all. I recalled seeing a little village a couple miles back so i hicked to it.

Once there i began to try and communicate that i needed some water for my car. That wasn't going very well, but they seemed to get some humor out of the fact that some foreigner was walking around out in the middle of nowhere. When i gave a few pesos it seemed to help move the negotiations along well.

I went back to the car, poured the water into the radiator and it started. i was off and down the road. As soon as i got to the next town, it died and i coasted into the 1st gas station. I went up to the clerk and tried to tell him my car was broken and that i would be back as soon as i can get a wrecker. I don't think he understood anything i said, and just said, "sisisi" lol

So i flag down a cab and get taken to a hotel, i get a room, check in, and get something to eat. This was already night tiime. I decided to go out and walk around the town square some. Everything was dead except for one place that had some people going in and out of it and small groups of people standing around outside. I went there and went in, ordered a beer and sat down. There were alot of people in there. It was big and alot of folks were danceing.

After awhile a girl came to me and started saying a whole bunch of stuff and i couldn't make any of it out. I just looked at her and smiled. lol I tried talking to her, but she just kinda smiled back and walked away. She soon returned, with what i guess would have been a group of her friends, and they all started talking to me! Jeez! i couldn't understand any of them. They just all started hanging out around me and motioning for me to go with them, so i did.

Later, i left, outside we all went. One of the girls was motioning for me to go into the back of a truck. It had a camper shell on it. I then looked into her hair and saw what looked like cob webs? and a spider! I said, no, i'm gonna go to bed and walked off, i went back to my room and went to bed. I guess my instincts kicked in or something?

The next morning, i woke up, sat up in bed. I started thinking, o great, what am i going to do now. I just spent thousands of dollars getting a car back that broke down on me on the side of the road and i'm stuck here in Mexico!

I saw something moveing up in the top right corner of the room. I looked and saw a woman standing, looking at me. She looked like a nun to me. Her head was covered with whatever you call that thing they wear. I could see her clear, except she looked so clean and the white cloth was so white. She raised her hands together to her mouth, kissed them, then threw them out towards me. A white dove flew out from her hands towards me. I watched it fly towards me, past me towards the window. I looked back to see her, and she was gone, i looked back to see the dove and it was gone. The dove had flown towards the window, so when i looked back to see the dove, all i could see out of my hotel window was an enormous beautiful catholic church. The feeling i got then was unlike anything i have ever felt before. I had never felt so at peace in all my life. It is a feeling of pure good, there was no fear, not a drop. It is just amazeing!

this was many years ago. i never really understood any of this till recently. I was in my room getting ready for work and i heard a voice tell me that i must believe the word of Jesus. I looked around and didn't see anyone. I kinda figured it was an angel, since i had been haveing lots of dreams at that time of me and angels hunting demons. They would show me where they are and i would attack them and send them back to wherever they come from. lol

So this is what has gotten me to read the bible so intensely on a daily basis now. I've learned alot from the bible that explains alot of these experiences i have had.

edit 7-28 *** today, i know why i never found the dove in the curtains, well... i've known for sometime now, just figured this is a good place to insert this bit of info, I found it right here inside of me.

Interesting story, but I wouldn't call it a miracle.

 

[flatworm]

I have proof, but even then you won't believe.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard this. Every single time it's been a load of bull. Put up or shut up.

 

[stone]

It's not proof... it's finding what you wish to find. If there's a being as almighty as you say there is then you should be able to provide simple proof... for instance, why doesn't your god heal amputees?

Are you an amputee?

Also, i never went searching for any of these things. I rarely had the thought of attending a church or reading the bible. The bible never made any sense to me when i read it in the past. I was also an atheist, but that was one of my little secrets. What changed? lol

 

[stone]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard this. Every single time it's been a load of bull. Put up or shut up.

r u paying attention?

 

[stone]

Interesting story, but I wouldn't call it a miracle.

I wouldn't expect you to.

Anyone care to give me their opinion of why christians ignore test in their own scriptures for those that hear god's voice?

I'll provide a link and make a post from one of my 1st dreams, from when i began to experience these things.

brb