How dinosaurs fit in the Bible?

[Tim the Plumber]

If you wish to undestand the world go and find a clif. Look at it. Most will be of sedimentary rock. Sedimentary rock was laid down by water. When it was laid down it was horizontal. The clif will usually show layers at some angle. The rock has moved around and is no longer horizontal. There may be fosils in the rock have a look at some of them.

Looking at rocks and thinking about them is called geology. If you get a intro to Geology book it will be facinating to go back to the clif. If you go to one of the better places to look for fossils it will be a great day out.

The earth is billions of years old. The rocks say so. Dinosaurs died out millions of years ago. The rocks say so.

 

[CTD]

What I find interesting, is how scientists and the like report these "fossil dates" with dinosaurs, going back millions of years.

I've talked to people and have debated on this subject quite a bit. I wish I can back all of this by scripture, so I will just go off on a theory.

Gen 1:24: And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

Where in the bible does it say, the seven days that God created, was Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? Could this miraculous creation have been done over a period of a billion of the years as we know it? Did these creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, have lived for a million years before he created mankind in his image?

We see dinosaurs and the creatures of the earth in that time period as being horrible creatures. The veloceraptor, T. Rex, etc. These animals were known to be carnivores. If Gods love and spirit where upon the earth during creation, would being a carnivore, seeking food and destroying it to shreds to eat it, be considered holy? This is where all of this does not fit in for me.

Gen 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate.

Did the Dinosaurs not fit on the ark? Where they seen as unclean? One pair of unclean animal? Did the T.Rex not reproduce and became extinct following the flood?

Would love to hear others thoughts on the subject.

Your ''carnivore'' reasoning is over-simplified. If an animal is unavailable for observation, how do you know what it ate. We're told pointy teeth mean a thing only eats meat, but it isn't so. Fruit bats and Pandas eat only vegetation. Dogs naturally hunt and kill, but dry dogfood is made from grain.

It's important to keep speculation segregated from fact. One can be wrong and the other can't. Such as sow confusion tend to reverse the two, presenting fact as subject to uncertainty, and speculation as beyond question. If you pay attention, you'll be amazed how consistent and brazen they are in practicing their ''art'', and perhaps more amazed that it works on anyone.

 

[PaladinValer]

Read a biology textbook, as others have said.

 

[Endbag]

Many Bible scholars believe Genesis was written during the Babylonian captivity. The Babylonians worshipped the sun, moon and the stars. Israel, in exile, would have been heavily influenced by Babylonian religion. The writer or writers of the first creation story (that's right, there are 2 creation stories in Genesis) wrote what might be described as a hymn (inspired by the Holy Spirit) to bring the Jews back into God's tent. In effect the hymn was saying:

"The sun, moon and stars are not gods. There is only one true god and He created the sun, moon and stars, the plants and animals. And He also created his crowning achievement: mankind. And He loves his creation and it is good."

The creation story is not historical science, i.e. six literal days of creation. It is God speaking to his people, drawing them out of idolatry, back to Himself.

Dinosaurs fit into creation, but not the way Young Earth Creationists believe.

 

[jcp988]

I don't know how big your Bible is... But mine definitely won't hold a dinosaur!

 

[Sum1sGruj]

I think if one takes a look at the properties of a dinosaur, one could easily see why they are no longer here:

They were stupid. This is probably the most important of all of them. Relative to creatures we see today, and most especially us humans, dinosaurs could have easily fell trap to smarter hunters.

Other creatures. It is easy to downplay animals we see today when comparing them to a T-rex or a raptor. But think about the Tiger or the shark. Sea dinosaurs, for one, would have been mincemeat by killer whales and sharks alone. Killer whales are exceedingly smart, and sharks are practically killing machines, with a ridiculous number of them to boot.

The dinosaur makeup. Dinosaurs would have been extremely subject to natural conditions. They were big, stubborn, and required a lot of resources.
If they were not being hunted out by humans and other creatures, for the sake of security and/or food, they were probably starving.

Fossils. We have not found nearly as many as people would like to think. They probably were not too numbered to begin with.

There are a lot of ways about going about it. YEC's do not even have to dribble with the concept.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

I think if one takes a look at the properties of a dinosaur, one could easily see why they are no longer here:

They were stupid. This is probably the most important of all of them. Relative to creatures we see today, and most especially us humans, dinosaurs could have easily fell trap to smarter hunters.

Other creatures. It is easy to downplay animals we see today when comparing them to a T-rex or a raptor. But think about the Tiger or the shark. Sea dinosaurs, for one, would have been mincemeat by killer whales and sharks alone. Killer whales are exceedingly smart, and sharks are practically killing machines, with a ridiculous number of them to boot.

The dinosaur makeup. Dinosaurs would have been extremely subject to natural conditions. They were big, stubborn, and required a lot of resources.
If they were not being hunted out by humans and other creatures, for the sake of security and/or food, they were probably starving.

Fossils. We have not found nearly as many as people would like to think. They probably were not too numbered to begin with.

There are a lot of ways about going about it. YEC's do not even have to dribble with the concept.

No. Dinosaurs were not "dumber" on average than other animals. That's an out dated misnomer.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Sum1sGruj]

No. Dinosaurs were not "dumber" on average than other animals. That's an out dated misnomer.

-CryptoLutheran

Says who? Oh, it's been guessed by evolutionists, so it must be truer then true.
A comet can easily be replaced by the idea that they were simply wiped out by smarter creatures. After all, I'd imagine God would not make such horrendous creatures without a penalty.
They are only smart in their alleged time period. If you put them at the front line of a YEC's version of young Earth, they are simply just not all that great.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

Says who? Oh, it's been guessed by evolutionists, so it must be truer then true.
A comet can easily be replaced by the idea that they were simply wiped out by smarter creatures. After all, I'd imagine God would not make such horrendous creatures without a penalty.
They are only smart in their alleged time period. If you put them at the front line of a YEC's version of young Earth, they are simply just not all that great.

Except that we know that some of the non-avian dinosaurs were rather intelligent--more intelligent than our mammalian ancestors from the same time period--such as the troodon.

The old stereotype assumed that non-avian dinosaur brains were similar to modern reptile brains, filling only about 50% of the cranial cavity; however given certain behaviors seen from the fossil record as well as the fossils themselves demonstrate that a more appropriate model is to look at bird brains--seeing as birds are the last surviving dinosaurs on our planet.

Some non-avian dinosaurs were likely slow-witted, but some would have been rather intelligent.

That's not evolutionist guesswork, that's applying science to what is studied and observed.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Except that we know that some of the non-avian dinosaurs were rather intelligent--more intelligent than our mammalian ancestors from the same time period--such as the troodon.

The old stereotype assumed that non-avian dinosaur brains were similar to modern reptile brains, filling only about 50% of the cranial cavity; however given certain behaviors seen from the fossil record as well as the fossils themselves demonstrate that a more appropriate model is to look at bird brains--seeing as birds are the last surviving dinosaurs on our planet.

Some non-avian dinosaurs were likely slow-witted, but some would have been rather intelligent.

That's not evolutionist guesswork, that's applying science to what is studied and observed.

-CryptoLutheran

Really? So they opened an actual Jurassic Park?
I find it amazing that 2 million years ago, our ancestors didn't have the intelligence to attach a rock to a stick, and yet 65 million years ago, dinosaurs were even close to that of a mammal. Just look at their physical properties. No smart creature has such a crude physique in today's world. Their evolution was a physical one, not mental. Other creatures were just as stupid and lacked strength. So ToE falls back and says these creatures were smart., and that a comet hit them.

This is ToE being stuck up it's own ***. For lack of a better term, sorry for the explicitness.

 

[David Evarts]

There are many things that the Bible doesn't discuss. I suspect that dinosaurs are, like the age of the earth, Shakespeares' poetry and automobiles, in that category. As Billy Graham reminds us it's a book about salvation, not a science textbook. That's a good thing, I love a nice simple science textbook with lots of math, when the Bible is making my head swirl.

 

[heron]

Mark Sam posted a quote from Job. It would be well worth reading the whole passage, which goes into much detail.

OT

Hebrew words used in the Old Testament describe a dinosaur-like creature that other speakers of Hebrew understood:

Strong's Number: 08577 aynnt [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Tanniyn[/FONT]

1. dragon, serpent, sea monster
   1. dragon or dinosaur
   2. sea or river monster
   3. serpent, venomous snake

Strong's Number: 08565 at [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]from an unused root probably meaning to elongate[/FONT] Tan

1. dragon, maybe the extinct dinosaur the plesiosaurus, whale

• hnnt - dragon
Strong's Number: 8568 hnnt [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]probably fem. of (08565)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Tannah[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]tan-naw'[/FONT]

1. habitations, jackals, dragon, sea monster
   1. meaning uncertain
   
   [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Mal 1:3 [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]KJV[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.[/FONT]

Isa 27:1
In that day the LORD will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And He will kill the dragon who lives in the sea.

Isa 51:9
Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; Awake as in the days of old, the generations of long ago. Was it not You who cut Rahab in pieces, Who pierced the dragon?


NT
The Greek language also had a word for it, and there were 15 word uses in the New Testament.

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=dragon&section=0&translation=nas&oq=&sr=1

• dra/kwn - dragon
Strong's Number: 1404 dra/kwn [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Drakon[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]drak'-own[/FONT]

1. a dragon, a great serpent, a name for Satan

Re 12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.

Book of Revelation13:1 And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Strong's Number: 2342[/FONT]qhriðon[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]


[/FONT]qhriðon [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]diminutive from the same as (2339)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]Therion[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]thay-ree'-on[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]TDNT[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]3:133,333[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva][/FONT]

1. an animal
2. a wild animal, wild beast, beast
3. metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious

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