How dinosaurs fit in the Bible?

[ephesians4:2]

Throughout my life the Lord has blessed me with good friends. However not all of them believe God or the salvation of Jesus. I pray for my roomates and everyone across the globe to get saved and accept Jesus if the already havn't. Recently Ive been led to believe the Lord is growing on one of my roomtes because normally he swears and takes the Lords name in vain especially when he gets mad, until one day he got mad about something but as he went to swear he hesistated and he said he wasnt trying take Gods name in vain anymore.

I should have asked him why but I didnt I just assumed he might be turning towards God.

Anyways recently he asked my if I believed in evolution and I told him no, "not one bit of it, its all a lie." Then he asked me then if I believed in the dinosaurs and I said yes and I told him that their origin is mentioned in Genesis 6 referring to the Nephilim and fallen angels. I said its barely mentioned but goes into further detail in the lost books (Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees which discuss the fallen angel/Nephilim incident and their mixing and corruption of flesh on the earth) thus the creation of a dinosaurs.

Thats my belief as to their creation anyways. When you look at a t-rex for examle it lookes like an awkward and foolishly designed creature, not the product of the Lord. And its easily seen how birds mixed with reptiles would create dinosaur looking creatures if we can imagine. The overall body of a velociraptor for example is similar to most bird bodies minus the wings.

What Im getting at is do you think what I told my friend is acceptable and what are your opinions on this matter?

 

[wayseer]

Their footprints are all over it.

 

[wingedove]

Hallelujah!! Good to know u listen to the Holy Spirt!!

 

[1watchman]

If you want to get a really good perspective on dinosaurs, write to icr.org. It is a web site of scientists who are sound Christians. They will show you what science teaches as fact, rather than atheistic teachings of some science men pressed as science. The Institute For Creation Research (ICR) are Ph.D scientists who are "born again".

- 1 Watchman

 

[ephesians4:2]

I wanted another opinion on this subject and I thank you all for your comments. I was a little concerned for the sake of my friend.

 

[laconicstudent]

Throughout my life the Lord has blessed me with good friends. However not all of them believe God or the salvation of Jesus. I pray for my roomates and everyone across the globe to get saved and accept Jesus if the already havn't. Recently Ive been led to believe the Lord is growing on one of my roomtes because normally he swears and takes the Lords name in vain especially when he gets mad, until one day he got mad about something but as he went to swear he hesistated and he said he wasnt trying take Gods name in vain anymore.

I should have asked him why but I didnt I just assumed he might be turning towards God.

Anyways recently he asked my if I believed in evolution and I told him no, "not one bit of it, its all a lie." Then he asked me then if I believed in the dinosaurs and I said yes and I told him that their origin is mentioned in Genesis 6 referring to the Nephilim and fallen angels. I said its barely mentioned but goes into further detail in the lost books (Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees which discuss the fallen angel/Nephilim incident and their mixing and corruption of flesh on the earth) thus the creation of a dinosaurs.

Thats my belief as to their creation anyways. When you look at a t-rex for examle it lookes like an awkward and foolishly designed creature, not the product of the Lord. And its easily seen how birds mixed with reptiles would create dinosaur looking creatures if we can imagine. The overall body of a velociraptor for example is similar to most bird bodies minus the wings.

What Im getting at is do you think what I told my friend is acceptable and what are your opinions on this matter?

No. Read a biology textbook please.

 

[Gnarwhal]

No. Read a biology textbook please.

Agreed.

 

[Mark_Sam]

I didn't quite follow you on how the Nephilim relate to dinosaurs. Sorry.

A good site is answersingenesis.org .

Job 40:15-24 is used as support for dinosaurs in the Bible, as it fits the description of a sauropoda. It talks about a mighty animal, Behemoth. Some say it describes an elephant or a hippo, but that doesn't explain "He moves his tail like a cedar".

To say that a dinosaur is poorly designed would be to discredit the Creator, because according to Exodus 20:11 :

"For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

 

[CryptoLutheran]

Agreed.

Ditto

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Quaero]

Agreed.

^what they said.

The Bible is the history of mankind's salvation and relationship with our creator. Dinosaurs really dont need to "fit" into it

 

[ephesians4:2]

I didn't quite follow you on how the Nephilim relate to dinosaurs. Sorry.

I take alot of faith in a few lost books those being Enoch, Jasher and Jubilees which the Ethiopian Orthodox do as well. As far as where I got this from in these books:

Enoch 7: 3-5
[3] And the women became pregnant, and they bare large giants, whose height was three thousand cubits. [4] The giants consumed all the work and toil of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. [5] And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drank the blood. -genetic manipulation

Jubilees 5: 1-2
[1] When the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were bore to them, and the angels of God saw them on a certain jubilee, that they were beautiful, and they took themselves wives all of whom they chose, and they gave birth to their sons and they were giants. [2] Because of them lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its ways. Men and cattle and beasts and birds and everything that walked on the earth were all corrupted in their ways and their orders, and they began to devour each other. -there it is again

Jasher 4:18
[18]And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowels of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with another, in order therewith to provoke the Lord.
-even more clear in the meaning than the previous two

All of these events lead to the flood destroying all of the ungodly and corrupted flesh. Only Noah and the pure animals God sent to him to go into the ark for preservation were spared.

Not saying you should believe my opinion but dont be surprised when you see unexplainable things in the near future. "As it was in the days of Noah so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man". Matthew 24:37 The Nephilim are real, the watchers are real everyone needs to educate and discern for themselves between what the Bible calls fallen angels and what our society calls aliens. What do you think all the alien hype and propaganda is for these days? Its everywhere in movies and tv. Its the last grand deception for the spiritually weak who may be teetering on the fine line between salvation and being lost. I humbly suggest you guys take a look at the dreams and visions forum and the threads being posted daily on there.

 

[elopez]

What Im getting at is do you think what I told my friend is acceptable and what are your opinions on this matter?

It is far from acceptable. Angels and man reproduced dinosaurs? That's biologically impossible. I'm sure you gave your friend a good laugh though. This is a whole new take on dinos according to yec, since most just say that God created them on day six along with all the other land animals. That view sounds way more plausible than this one, but still has it's problems.

 

[ephesians4:2]

Angels and man reproduced dinosaurs?

I dont mean a man and angel mated and out popped a dino, what it says is that they gentically tampered with various animals and interbreeded them into these things.

 

[elopez]

Angels and man reproduced dinosaurs?

I dont mean a man and angel mated and out popped a dino, what it says is that they gentically tampered with various animals and interbreeded them into these things.

Where does it say that?

 

[ephesians4:2]

Jasher 4:18
[18]And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowels of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with another, in order therewith to provoke the Lord.


its pretty straight forward,


Google search transhumanism and you will see how these practices are taking place today.

One way I look at is if man over thousands of years can manipulate the genetics of wolves into poodles and other strange breeds of dogs, then you can only imagine what a fallen angel/demon with higher intelligence can do with genetic manipulation.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

The actual book of Jasher is lost to history. What poses as the book of Jasher today is an 18th century forgery, just like the Gospel of Barnabas and other recent texts purporting to be ancient.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Pilgrimer]

Throughout my life the Lord has blessed me with good friends. However not all of them believe God or the salvation of Jesus. I pray for my roomates and everyone across the globe to get saved and accept Jesus if the already havn't. Recently Ive been led to believe the Lord is growing on one of my roomtes because normally he swears and takes the Lords name in vain especially when he gets mad, until one day he got mad about something but as he went to swear he hesistated and he said he wasnt trying take Gods name in vain anymore.

I should have asked him why but I didnt I just assumed he might be turning towards God.

Anyways recently he asked my if I believed in evolution and I told him no, "not one bit of it, its all a lie." Then he asked me then if I believed in the dinosaurs and I said yes and I told him that their origin is mentioned in Genesis 6 referring to the Nephilim and fallen angels. I said its barely mentioned but goes into further detail in the lost books (Enoch, Jasher, Jubilees which discuss the fallen angel/Nephilim incident and their mixing and corruption of flesh on the earth) thus the creation of a dinosaurs.

Thats my belief as to their creation anyways. When you look at a t-rex for examle it lookes like an awkward and foolishly designed creature, not the product of the Lord. And its easily seen how birds mixed with reptiles would create dinosaur looking creatures if we can imagine. The overall body of a velociraptor for example is similar to most bird bodies minus the wings.

What Im getting at is do you think what I told my friend is acceptable and what are your opinions on this matter?

I don't believe what you told your friend is accurate, no. It strays away from the Biblical testimony and uses non-Biblical sources to posit unfounded premises and then draws untenable conclusions.

Genesis lists the animals God created being of three "kinds," the "beasts of the earth," the "cattle," and those that "creepeth upon the earth."

"Cattle" in scripture refers to domesticated animals, "creeping things" refers to small creatures, and "beasts of the earth" refers to large, non-domesticated animals. Dinosaurs fall into the "beasts of the earth" kind or the large, non-domesticated animals.

Genesis 7:22 states that during the flood "all in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died." That would include Dinosaurs as fossil skulls show that they had nostrils and would therefore be included in those that had "the breath of life." Also, dinosaur fossils are most often found in jumbled assemblages, buried in water-borne mud that hardened into rock layers. They are found in similar circumstances on all continents, which is what would be expected in a world-wide flood.

But that doesn't mean that dinosaurs went extinct because of the flood. Noah took two of every living creature into the ark, and seven of every clean beast. Considering that the average dinosaur was the size of a large dog, and that even of the massive dinosaurs, juveniles could have been taken onto the ark, dinosaurs would have been included.

And for centuries after the flood, from St. George in England, to Alexander the Great, to Marco Polo, to Flavius Philostatus reporting on India being "girt with dragons," which was also recorded in Pliny the Elder's "Natural History," there were anciently accounts of beasts that could only have been dinosaurs, the descendants of those two of each kind preserved in the ark. And there are as well many accounts handed down from North, Central and South American Indian groups of massive beasts matching the description of "dragons" reported in Europe and Asia.

And modern scientific evidence shows that most extinction crisis is caused primarily by human impacts on wild populations. In every situation where humans have moved into a previously wilderness area, it is always the largest, most dangerous wild creatures that are the first to go. We even see that in recent American history with the near extinction of the American bison, and the endangering of predatory species such as bears, wolves, and large cats.

The extinction of the dinosaur is most likely of relatively recent history and man-caused, as there are just too many post-flood accounts of "dragons" in areas and cultures too divergent and distant for the reports to have been in any sense simply shared myths.

All of the above information was taken from the article, "Eyewitnesses to Extinction, Testimonies to the Life and Death of Dinosaurs," in the June 2011 issue of "Acts & Facts," published by the Institute for Creation Research.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[MercyGrace]

The information Pilgrimer gave is my personal position. I believe God created all creatures including dinosaurs, and all the dragon stories from different cultures are tales from actual human experiences with creatures that today we call dinosaurs. I also believe the book of Job in the Bible references dinosaurs (as someone mentioned earlier in the thread).

 

[Sum1sGruj]

There are many ways to help explain dinosaurs and the Bible. For one, think of a massive dinosaur- they were relatively stupid even to most creatures we see today. They likely made for good hunting by humans, both for food and safety of the public, they could not have been overly populated because they require so much energy and destroy each other all the same, they are subject to the same environmental conditions and yet seem to lack ways of coping with them physically and mentally, and last but not least, some creatures we see today could make mincemeat of many dinosaurs. In the ocean and on land.

 

[neoh]

What I find interesting, is how scientists and the like report these "fossil dates" with dinosaurs, going back millions of years.

I've talked to people and have debated on this subject quite a bit. I wish I can back all of this by scripture, so I will just go off on a theory.

Gen 1:24: And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

Where in the bible does it say, the seven days that God created, was Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? Could this miraculous creation have been done over a period of a billion of the years as we know it? Did these creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, have lived for a million years before he created mankind in his image?

We see dinosaurs and the creatures of the earth in that time period as being horrible creatures. The veloceraptor, T. Rex, etc. These animals were known to be carnivores. If Gods love and spirit where upon the earth during creation, would being a carnivore, seeking food and destroying it to shreds to eat it, be considered holy? This is where all of this does not fit in for me.

Gen 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate.

Did the Dinosaurs not fit on the ark? Where they seen as unclean? One pair of unclean animal? Did the T.Rex not reproduce and became extinct following the flood?

Would love to hear others thoughts on the subject.