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How diffrent races came to exist

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follower2 said:
Hi I was just wondering how different races came to exist from adam and eve thanks:thumbsup:
I think follower2 was only curious to ...How different races came to be......,,, He didnt want to start a debate.

I am quite curious too as we were not born the same colour. There is also the language. We were not meant to understand each other for a reason dont you think?

I dont think race comes into this....just curiosity and how it came to be.

God bless you all.
 
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JonF said:
This post and subsequent ones are strawmen. No one said anything about there being different breeds, or certain races being better than others. If you say there aren’t races you are either ignorant or using a different definition of race than the rest of us. Or, are you going to tell me there aren’t regional physical characteristics between the humans? The OP asked how these regional characteristics came about.
Allow me to enlighten you as to the origins of "race" theory.
The first scientific attempts to categorize race date from the 17th century, along with the development of European imperialism and colonization around the world. The first post-Classical published classification of humans into distinct races seems to be François Bernier's Nouvelle division de la terre par les différents espèces ou races qui l'habitent ("New division of Earth by the different species or races which inhabit it"), published in 1684.
[note that they did not bother to call the different "races" breeds - but entirely different species altogether.]
17th and 18th century
In the 18th century, the differences between human groups became a focus of scientific investigation (Todorov 1993). Initially, scholars focused on cataloging and describing "The Natural Varieties of Mankind," as Johann Friedrich Blumenbach entitled his 1775 text (which established the five major divisions of humans still reflected in some racial classifications). From the 17th through the 19th centuries, the merging of folk beliefs about group differences with scientific explanations of those differences produced what one scholar has called an "ideology of race" (Smedley 1999). According to this ideology, races are primordial, natural, enduring, and distinct. Some groups might be the result of mixture between formerly distinct populations, but careful study can distinguish the ancestral races that had combined to produce admixed groups.
[emphesis mine ]
19th century
* Natural Scientists on race: In the 19th century a number of natural scientists wrote on race: Charles Darwin, Alfred Wallace, Francis Galton, Georges Cuvier, James Cowles Pritchard, Louis Agassiz, Charles Pickering, and Johann Friedrich Blumenbach. These scientists made three claims about race: first, that races are objective, naturally occurring divisions of humanity; second, that there is a strong relationship between biological races and other human phenomena (such as forms of activity and interpersonal relations and culture, and by extension the relative material success of cultures); third, that race is therefore a valid scientific category that can be used to explain and predict individual and group behavior. Races were distinguished by skin color, facial type, cranial profile and size, texture and color of hair. Moreover, races were almost universally considered to reflect group differences in moral character and intelligence.
Their understanding of race was usually both essentialist (defining something by a list of characteristics) and taxonomic (hierarchical).
* Anthropology. But as the science of anthropology took shape in the 19th century, European and American scientists increasingly sought explanations for the behavioral and cultural differences they attributed to groups (Stanton 1960). For example, using anthropometrics, invented by Francis Galton and Alphonse Bertillon, they measured the shapes and sizes of skulls and related the results to group differences in intelligence or other attributes (Lieberman 2001).
The eugenics movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, inspired by Arthur Gobineau's An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races (1853-1855), Vacher de Lapouge's "anthroposociology" and Herder's theories, asserted as self-evident the biological inferiority of particular groups (Kevles 1985). In many parts of the world, the idea of race became a way of rigidly dividing groups by use of culture as well as physical appearances (Hannaford 1996). Campaigns of oppression and genocide often used supposed racial differences to motivate inhuman acts against others (Horowitz 2001).[emphesis mine]
Race is a myth perpetuated by HATE and narrowmindedness. There is only ONE race of man - any claim otherwise is foolish and based on faulty and bigoted science.
 
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jacquidube said:
I think follower2 was only curious to ...How different races came to be......,,, He didnt want to start a debate.

I am quite curious too as we were not born the same colour. There is also the language. We were not meant to understand each other for a reason dont you think?

I dont think race comes into this....just curiosity and how it came to be.

God bless you all.
The question itself is faulty.
 
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follower2 said:
Hi I was just wondering how different races came to exist from adam and eve thanks:thumbsup:
Well, although we all descend essentially from Adam, we even more recently all come from Noah. After the flood only Noah, Noah's wife, and his three sons and their wives were left and from here came the entire modern race. Actually this is a fascinating topic and many people devote much of their time to tracing lineages of the human race using Genesis chapter 10 and have found this to be a great accurate source (again the Word of God stands :) ).

Noah had three sons Shem, Ham, and Japeth and from here we can trace all the different races of humanity. From Shem came the Hebrews, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Persians, Syrians, etc. Shem's descendants are known as the Semites and this is whom Ever was descended from (the name in Hebrew means "one who crosses over" and thus this is were we get the word Hebrew from, "one who has crossed over") and also Abraham who was a Hebrew from this line and then the entire Israelite race after him. These are those that dominated from about 1000 B.C. for about a millenium until the Greek dominance around the time of Alexander.

From Japheth comes the Greeks, Thracians, Scythians, and I guess you could say the "lighter" skinned races which for the most part have dominated from the time of Alexander onward and which you can see with a heavy Greek influence now seen throughout the world, espcecially in the West.

From Ham (whose Hebrew name literally means black, or burnt) comes the darker races, the Canaanites, Egyptians, Philistines, Hittites, Africans and Amorites. Ham was the one whos descendants (well at least Canaan) were cursed by Noah, and prophesied to be a "servant of servants unto his brothers" (Gen. 9:25-27). (This was not condoning slavery or racism but rather this was a prophecy just as Jacob prophesied over his chlidren before his death, some good and some bad, he was just stating what was to come and this is seen throughout the Old Testament and furthur proves the accuracy of God's Word concerning that which has happened and is to come. From the prophecy of the text, it is up to the individual to make his own conclusions.) These are also the races that dominated from the time of Noah until around 1000 B.C.
 
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Lpe04 said:
From Ham (whose Hebrew name literally means black, or burnt) comes the darker races, the Canaanites, Egyptians, Philistines, Hittites, Africans and Amorites. Ham was the one whos descendants (well at least Canaan) were cursed by Noah, and prophesied to be a "servant of servants unto his brothers" (Gen. 9:25-27). (This was not condoning slavery or racism but rather this was a prophecy just as Jacob prophesied over his chlidren before his death, some good and some bad, he was just stating what was to come and this is seen throughout the Old Testament and furthur proves the accuracy of God's Word concerning that which has happened and is to come. From the prophecy of the text, it is up to the individual to make his own conclusions.) These are also the races that dominated from the time of Noah until around 1000 B.C.
Canaan specifically was cursed, and that curse was fulfilled when Israel took the Promised Land. People have misinterpreted it mean what the Mormons teach - that black people are cursed, and became slaves here as a result.
 
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All people did not come from Adam and Eve, or Noah, God created the races the way they are and pronounced them "Good" on the 6th day, and then God "Formed" THE man Adam on the 8th day, a Farmer, since there was not yet a man to till the soil. (the other races were hunters and fishers)

Black people did not come from Noaha's son Ham. They were created on the 6th day as were the other races. (God pronounced them all "Good.")

There were 8 "Adamic souls" (people) on the Ark plus 2 of each other race. (God told Noah to put 2 of every flesh on the Ark, didn't He?) That means 2 of every race.

Cain is not listed in Adams geneology, Why? Because Cain was not Adams son. (tho he was Eves son)

The progeny of Cain are called "Kenites" in the Bible. The word Kenite means "sons of Cain." (Strongs)

Cains gegeology is listed seperately, apart from Adams, for good reason.

Cain got his wife from the 6th day creation who dwelt in the land of Nod, just as the bible says.

The Kenites were one of the races God ordered Israel to wipe out, but they didnt obey and God said, "Now I will have war with Amilech from generation to generation because you (Israel) have not obeyed my command."
 
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Mac123 said:
All people did not come from Adam and Eve, or Noah, God created the races the way they are and pronounced them "Good" on the 6th day, and then God "Formed" THE man Adam on the 8th day, a Farmer, since there was not yet a man to till the soil. (the other races were hunters and fishers)

Black people did not come from Noaha's son Ham. They were created on the 6th day as were the other races.

There were 8 "Adamic souls" (people) on the Ark plus 2 of each other race. (God told Noah to put 2 of every flesh on the Ark, didn't He?) That means 2 of every race.

Cain is not listed in Adams geneology, Why? Because Cain was not Adams son. (tho he was Eves son)

The progeny of Cain are called "Kenites" in the Bible. The word Kenite means "sons of Cain." (Strongs)

Cains gegeology is listed seperately, apart from Adams, for good reason.
Let me guess - adam was white right? :scratch:
 
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Any Christian who uses their brain (you know..that thing so many of us seem to ignore and just use blind faith instead)

would know that In Genesis God tells Adam and Eve were not the only people in the world. There were people OUTSIDE the Garden of Eden...when they were banished there were already people in existence and living their lives.
Also..we know for fact that different enviroments effect genetics differently in people. This accounts for the various colorations and genetic coding in different "races". The Tower of Babel was the point where language was split.
 
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Oh...also. I don't believe the Earth was only 6 days old at the time. There is more evidence biblically and scientifically to support an old earth theory than a new earth. Just because it says DAYS in the beginning DOES NOT mean Human days as we know it. Unless for some bizarre reason you think God made the first 6 days extremely SPED UP in time...and yet never alter time any other point in history. God has never made it a habit of altering the fabric of the universe at any other point in the bible..so why would he now when he has always let man progress at a natural rate?

A new earth theory would mean that Dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time...do you realize how pretty much impossible it would be for humans to survive in a world where Dinosaurs were ALL OVER and there were only a small percentage of humans?

And what about the plants? It takes more than 6 days for them to grow...why would God speed up time for that when judging from the rest of the bible that isn't His way of doing things?

Old Earth exists. Humans changed over time, reflecting different skin colors because of enviroments over a long period of time.
 
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Oh...also. I don't believe the Earth was only 6 days old at the time. There is more evidence biblically and scientifically to support an old earth theory than a new earth. Just because it says DAYS in the beginning DOES NOT mean Human days as we know it. Unless for some bizarre reason you think God made the first 6 days extremely SPED UP in time...and yet never alter time any other point in history. God has never made it a habit of altering the fabric of the universe at any other point in the bible..so why would he now when he has always let man progress at a natural rate?

A new earth theory would mean that Dinosaurs and humans existed at the same time...do you realize how pretty much impossible it would be for humans to survive in a world where Dinosaurs were ALL OVER and there were only a small percentage of humans?

And what about the plants? It takes more than 6 days for them to grow...why would God speed up time for that when judging from the rest of the bible that isn't His way of doing things?

Old Earth exists. Humans changed over time, reflecting different skin colors because of enviroments over a long period of time.
people often forget that God did not create time until the forth day . . . . but then this is a topic best addressed in another thread in another forum.
 
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Someone already posted about the offspring of Noah. That's the first bit. Different types of skin work better in different climates. It has to do with the amount of pores, the color and how it reflects sunlight, etc. I think people of certain types of skin thrived better in certain areas than others, thus creating more of that type of people in given areas.
 
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this is a problem that I beleive most christians who aren't raised correctly will run into.
If you were pushed into the faith at a very young age, than it is the midset of said beleiver that the bible must be able to explain everything, because it is pushed into your face as the one and only truth. But there's lots of things that the Bible doesn't explain or even touch on, let alone mention at all.

you kind of have to take the scriptures with a grain of salt, one has to realize that the bible was not written by GOD, it was written by a bunch of people, people just as flawed as you or I. As it happens, historical references may not be 100% accurat,e and you have to come ot grips with the fact that most of the stories in the bible are just that... stories! They're stories meant to teach values and morals, but to expect a grown man to accept them as truth, well that's just plain old fashioned gullabillity.

where did other races come from? god created them in the same fashion as he created the rest of us. It's not like "poof" they appeared, it took millenia of evolution for all of us to get to where we are, and if you're gonna start screaming at me aobut how evoluton is against God, then maybe it's best you not reply at all.
If God did in fact create everything, then it's plausible he created the evolutionary process so humans could grown and learn and better themselves.

This again brings me back to my point that jsut because it's not in the bible doesn't mean it's against God.

I can already tell, by my second post that i'm gonna be preaching a lot.
 
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SteelDisciple said:
would know that In Genesis God tells Adam and Eve were not the only people in the world. There were people OUTSIDE the Garden of Eden...when they were banished there were already people in existence and living their lives.
Would you mind giving the specific reference for this?
 
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Mac123 said:
Wrong!! Think again: The Bible cover to cover is the story of the Adamic Race, in fact after Abrahams appearance on the scene in Genesis it is the story of ONE MANS FAMILY--Abrahams--whose offspring became the 12 tribes of Israel.

The only mention of other races and/or nations in the Bible is in their relationship to Israel.

Only Israel had access to God or to the Temple UNTILL Christ came, the veil was rent, and made it possible for the "Whosoever will may come."

So then the members of the "adamic race" are Jews-Hebrews-that is what I am hearing you say? I guess I can sorta see that...aren't ya glad the veil is torn! We are all grafted into the "adamic race"-no matter what our "race" or "ethnicity" through faith in Christ.
 
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Menno said: "So then the members of the "adamic race" are Jews-Hebrews-that is what I am hearing you say? "
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No, thats not what I said, it's more complicated than that.

Abraham was not a Jew, he was of Ebor known as Hebrews.

The term "Jew" did not exist untill the 2 tribes of the "House of Judah" returned from captivity in Babylon to Judea under Ezra and Neimiah where they had intermarried with the Babylonians and afterwards called "Jews." (many usurpers are in that group)

The Northern 10 tribes of the "House of Israel" were in captivity in Assyeria 130 years earlier and they NEVER returned to Palestine but escaped little by little thru the Caucusas Mountains and became known as Caucasians and populated the Christian nations of the world.

God constantly speaks either to the House of Israel (10 tribes) or to the House of Judah (2 tribes) and they each had and have different destinies to fulfill.

God told Abraham that his offspring would be as the sand of the sea and the stars of heaven that cannot be numbered.

The Jews dont fit that promise since we know how many Jews there are in the world today (about 15 million) and we know WHERE they are.

The House of Israel was scattered worldwide as God said they would be and are the so-called "Lost Tribes of Israel."

But they are not lost to God and in the last 150 years the migrations of the Israel peoples are now well known by many scholars. ( they are not Jews)

GBU...Mac123
 
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Br. Max said:
Allow me to enlighten you as to the origins of "race" theory. Race is a myth perpetuated by HATE and narrowmindedness. There is only ONE race of man - any claim otherwise is foolish and based on faulty and bigoted science.
I don’t know how much more clear I can be about this, but I will give it one last try. Race is not a myth. The term race may have a tainted past, the concept may have been generated with a bigoted agenda but neither of these things have ANYTHING to do with whether or not race exist, or the OP. The scientific definition of race, in short is phenotypes partitioned by geographical regions. Phenotypes exist in humans. Several of these phenotypes are divided geographically, skin color, hair color, eye appearance, etc etc. Many of the definitions I posted don’t assert that races are unique to humans. If you are so dead set against a word’s connotation that you can’t focus on the denotation let us drop the word all together.

Allow me to restate the original question with use of taboo word: How is it that we are all descendants from one man and one woman and there are different phenotypes that are divided geographically?

please adress the question, not how you feel about a word.
 
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People keep referring back to Adam and Eve as if it was all based on fact.
Adam and Eve was a story wirrten by primitive humans to explain ot one another how and why they came to exist, as well as to instill good moral values into them (ie: obey your father, defiance reaps consequences, don't listen to snakes)
But there is no historical truth to it, it's just a good story.
 
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JonF said:
Usually in a Christian forum we take the bible to be fact as an assumption in all arguments. The place to debate the soundness of the bible would be in one of the non “Christian Only” Sections.

Sorry, it just seemed pertinant to the discussion at hand.
We can argue till the rapture what denotes one race from the next, and exactly what those differences mean, and how all those difference could have possibly spring from two human beings, who married and had two boys, and one of them somehow came to have a wife and continue to procreate.

I think my spin on the story makes a little more sense, and it certainly wasn't my intention ot overturn the theme of the forum... I'm just tossing in my take on the situation, and if I can whip a little message at ya, that's more than most cats do.

Apologies.
 
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I will gladly discuss your take on genesis and why you are against the literal interpretation, but I don’t think this thread is the place. May I suggest you start your own thread on why you think it’s nonsense to hold a literal interpretation of the bible (specifically genesis)? I’ll be sure to check it first thing in the morning. :)
 
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