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You told me what? Did you give me an answer on whether God is falsifiable?ChrisS said:
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You told me what? Did you give me an answer on whether God is falsifiable?ChrisS said:I told you, but you refuse to accept. You need an open mind, you can't learn without one.
That's of no concern in evolution. Evolution is about the mechanism. You can't measure whether God did it or not, God is not falsifiable, thus you can't say it plays a part in science. Personally you can do whatever you want, but in terms of science, it is agnostic on the issue of God's involvement/non-involvement.Linux98 said:Like I said, either God did it or it done itself. And that was not in reference to creation, it was in reference to the cause of the diversity of life.
Ninja Turtles said:That's of no concern in evolution. Evolution is about the mechanism. You can't measure whether God did it or not, God is not falsifiable, thus you can't say it plays a part in science. Personally you can do whatever you want, but in terms of science, it is agnostic on the issue of God's involvement/non-involvement.
Linux98 said:You say that variation and adaptation is evidence of evolution because things seem to happen naturally. I say variation and adaptation is evidence that God programmed in the capability to adapt and that it is so well desinged that we take it for granted when we say it is due to a natural cause.
Exactly, God isn't falsifiable. For a theory to be scientific, it must be falsifiable. If it's not falsifiable it is not science. That doesn't negate your beliefs, it just means it can't be taught in a science class because rightfully so, it's not science.ChrisS said:Oh, I thought you meant something else.
No, he isn't, he's provable, but not falseifiable. However, are these rules or guide lines?
Ninja Turtles said:Exactly, God isn't falsifiable. For a theory to be scientific, it must be falsifiable. If it's not falsifiable it is not science. That doesn't negate your beliefs, it just means it can't be taught in a science class because rightfully so, it's not science.
How can that existence be taught? What experiments prove this existence?ChrisS said:But if His existence is a fact, then yes it can be taught in science class.
ChrisS said:But if His existence is a fact, then yes it can be taught in science class.
But it's not whether something is real to you or not, it's about whether you can prove that as a fact to everyone else. If it's not a phenomenom that can be reproduced repeatedly through experimentation, then it can't be taught in science. Does that mean it's all of a sudden false? No, it's just not measurable. It has to be able to be explained within the realm of the scientific method in order to enter into the equation.ChrisS said:I worship Him, I have a relationship with God, so he's definately fact for me.
Ninja Turtles said:But it's not whether something is real to you or not, it's about whether you can prove that as a fact to everyone else. If it's not a phenomenom that can be reproduced repeatedly through experimentation, then it can't be taught in science. Does that mean it's all of a sudden false? No, it's just not measurable. It has to be able to be explained within the realm of the scientific method in order to enter into the equation.
ChrisS said:But if His existence is a fact, then yes it can be taught in science class.
random_guy said:ChrisS, do you ever stop to read what you post? Suppose there was a Hindu person that believed in his Gods the same way you believe in your God. Would that mean that Science classes should also teach that the Hindu's Gods exists?
What if science was done the way you think it's done. Some scientist believes that the Earth core is cool because he has a personal relationship with the Earth core's spirit and he knows it to be true. Therefore, his theory also belongs in a science class.
Tell me, do you honestly believe that science classes should teach that your God exists, and do you understand the rammifications of what will happen if we allow your beliefs into science?
ChrisS said:I worship Him, I have a relationship with God, so he's definately fact for me.
ChrisS said:I worship Him, I have a relationship with God, so he's definately fact for me.
ChrisS said:Thus ID is invented.
A hindu hasn't made any scientific claims, so it must not be taught in science class.
However, ID, as I have explained it, can be taught in science class as it is scientific. Just replace God with designer, or something, maybe even natural selection! It is a perfectly scientific claim.
And yes, I do re-read my posts, several times in fact.
ImmortalTechnique said:the simple fact is, science does not say anything about god... one way or the other... it can't, unless your god can be quantified and measured... if an apple falls on someone's head, we do experiments, look at available evidence, and find out why it fell. if a christian wants to say that god created gravity, that is fine.
any scientific explanation is BY NECCESITY devoid of a supernatural explanation. we cannot say anything scientifically about the supernatural, because if we can, it isn't supernatural, just natural that we didn't understand yet. this is NOT to say that god isn't involved... or doesn't exist... we simply could not begin to explain what role god had in whatever process we are looking at. evolution is NOT an attack on god, it is an explanation of all the evidence. it doesn't say god doesn't exist, nothing of the sort. science deals with natural phenomenon... the supernatural does not fit...
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