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So what's the problem then, other than your total incapability of supporting your case?john crawford said:Neither do apes.
Yes. According to John archaebacteria should be considered human too.sidiousmax225 said:So wait. Is it racist that we don't include the first simple bacterial lifeforms, from where all life branched out from, in the human race?
Douglaangu v2.0 said:Thats great John, are you a biologist or anthropologist by chance?
Meaning, have you ever had any kind of formal education on the subject?
nvxplorer said:Such claims as those found in Genesis are merely based on a racial theory that God chooses certain tribes over others. Rather than recognize the full and equal humanity of all, God selects his chosen people, and therefore is, generally speaking, a racist form of judgement against all other human beings.
ebia said:In one post you have said evolution is racist because you find it offensive, and that it is racist, but not because you find it offensive. Until you make your mind up and stop contradicting yourself, you won't make much sense to anyone else. You need to give a clear, non-contradictory, reason why this is so instead of going in circles.
Smilin said:Agreed!
However,God (supposedly) choosing the Israelites as his "chosen" people, then systematically (according to the Bible) using them to slaughter the inhabitants of the so-called promise land makes him much more than a racist! It makes him a murderer! Especially since he ordered the slaughter of ALL inhabitants of the cities the Israelites "supposedly" took siege to. This included INNOCENT children as well as the women! IMO, it makes him out to be a savage and a murderer!
And the genocide committed by "His" people upon the Native Americans, and African slaves! That God is much more than a racist my friend! That God is a psycopathic murderer!
Just my opinion on the matter!
sidiousmax225 said:So wait. Is it racist that we don't include the first simple bacterial lifeforms, from where all life branched out from, in the human race?
john crawford said:"Oh, so ANY theory that states that we came from a pre-Homo genera is racist?"
Yes, according to Professor Lubenow.
"Homo Erectus
was not a seperate race (according to the way you are using the term in this quote)...they were a seperate species."
Only according to racial theories of human evolution. Creationists don't have any human ancestors that were a "separate species."
"Methinks you use the Dictionary when the definition applies to your argument, but turn around (as you have here) and throw all definitions out the window."
I don't throw Oxford's definition of race out the window.
"Ive asked before, I'll ask again-
When did the Neandertals begin demanding equal rights?
(Hopefully you'll get my point this time)"
Creationists get your point and equally point out that some of them biologically associate and identify variations of H. neandertalis, erectus and ergaster with their own human ancestors and regard them as full and equal members of our human race.
"So if Creationism were taught in public schools, you would likewise decry the literal biblical teachings that God told his "chosen people" to commit racial genocide? You would then stand up to Biblical racism? Somehow I doubt that you would be up-in-arms about this teaching."
Since creationism is not and should not be taught to adolescents in public schools, I need only decry racial theories of human evolution being currently taught there.
Tomk80 said:"Homo sapiens are apes, Homo neanderthalensis are apes, Homo erectus are apes. Chimps are apes. Our common ancestor was an ape. Were's the racism?"
Associating, categorizing and classifying any members of the human race or their 'human' ancestors with either sub-human or non-human species in accordance with the principles of evolution is a form of scientific racism found only in neo-Darwinst principles and theories.
Tomk80 said:Yes. According to John archaebacteria should be considered human too.
ebia said:Presumably with full human rights. One organism, one vote.
Elduran said:I think referring to the moon as "not the earth" is planet-ist. Makes about as much sense as john's argument...
dr.p said:You guys seem to have just as skewed a view of what actually happened in the OT as Crawford seems to have of evolution.
dr.p said:As for Native American genocide and African slavery: just because people have done things in God's name, doesn't necessarily mean He told them to. If something is outright evil, God didn't organize it.
dr.p said:Don't forget that Hitler, born Jewish, used a thin veil of Christianity for appeal in order to slaughter God's chosen people. That's murder. That's deceit. That's psychotic. That's not the same as what you find in the OT.
I dunno, beats me. I'm just expressing my viewpoint is all. There are different ways to view history. Some view and celebrate Columbus as a hero. Others of us view him as the origination of the great genocide committed against the Native Americans. Your view depends upon where you sit on the fence in the matter. If your family was among those slaughtered by the Israelites, I'd assume your viewpoint would be different on the mattter as mine is. I see the Biblical account of God as one of a war God with the thirst for blood and sacrifices. He allowed his own son to be sacrificed to himself...no?dr.p said:And btw, how could the creator of any world be psychopathic?
dr.p said:That would mean he's out to kill everyone... and why would he try to save everyone if he just wanted to kill them all?
As I said, depends upon where you're sitting. You miss my points as well, given that you are not of Native American descent.dr.p said:Me thinks you're missing some things.
dr.p said:The Bible never says God considers anyone to be worth less than anyone else... there's no racism invovled... it says He considers everyone evil and full of iniquity... except for those rare few whom He called righteous... and even they messed up.
Because he was speaking of your ancestors.john crawford said:Why do you assume and surmise that?
(emphasis mine)John Crawford said:I believe it does since I am human and believe that scientifically categorizing any of my ancestors as sub-human or non-human species is scientific racism.
john crawford said:Now, sir, you are changing your tune (or so it appears)Tomk80 said:Associating, categorizing and classifying any members of the human race or their 'human' ancestors with either sub-human or non-human species in accordance with the principles of evolution is a form of scientific racism found only in neo-Darwinst principles and theories.
To begin with evolution was supposedly racist due to the "non-sapiens" classification of other members of the Homo genus
Now, however, we have your above statement in which the various species of Homo arent even needed. You appear to be saying that ANY evolution from ANY non-human species is inherently racist.
This, of course, appears to be a completely idiotic statement.
I would appreciate some clarification.
Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. (KJV)dr.p said:Don't forget that Hitler, born Jewish, used a thin veil of Christianity for appeal in order to slaughter God's chosen people. That's murder. That's deceit. That's psychotic. That's not the same as what you find in the OT.
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