How could evolution be reconcilable with Christianity?

s_s said:

Evolution cannot produce a soul.

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A) I didn't suggest evolution produced a soul.
B) How one defines "the soul" is open to discussion.

Also, to suggest that evolution went through the process of a pro-biotic mush (like Activia, right?) to sea squirrels and walking goldfish then eventually apes then humanoids then Adam, suggests that God was incapable of producing Adam right off the bat.

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Does a literal reading of Genesis 1 where God spent six days creations the earth suggest that God was incapable of creating everything instantaneously? Of course not.

Did he need to refine the form many times until he got something 'in his likeness'? Perhaps no mirrors in heaven.
No, I say to you, that there is no place in the first few verses of Genesis for evolution. A God that needs evolution to create humanity is a weak and pathetic God, and no God of mine.

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I see the exact opposite. A God who has used this amazing process and mechanism to produce all the diversity of life on this planet is an amazing God who is worthy of all my praise and worship.

-CryptoLutheran

ebia said:

Saying some Christians are not Christians because, say, they accept the reality of evolution is contrary to forum rules.

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Does adhering to evolution alone make us Christian?

Evolution isn't true anyway, not macro evolution anyway, so what is there to reconcile? Let me ask this, how can evolution be reconciled with science, when the whole idea of evolution is ignoring every scientific law known to man?

Evolution seems to be guilty of everything that the unbeliever says about those who believe in Jesus Christ: No proof, delusional, blind faith, and un-intelligent. No wonder, I find myself at times as well as others often put their own burdens on others and oftentimes it is not true. People sometimes do not like to deal with their own shortcomings and point out others shortcomings. Oh well. We all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. I still sometimes miss the mark, but He still loves me. Do not ever recall evolution ever loving anyone.

bloodbought09 said:

Does adhering to evolution alone make us Christian?

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No. But that's not the point. Calling other Nicene-affirming Christians "atheist" or similar is a breach of forum rules, regardless of their view on evolution or any equivalent topic.

Mess said:

Evolution isn't true anyway, not macro evolution anyway, so what is there to reconcile? Let me ask this, how can evolution be reconciled with science, when the whole idea of evolution is ignoring every scientific law known to man?

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Firstly, "macro evolution" is just "micro evolution" on a larger timescale. There's no demarcation between the two.

Secondly, evolution ignores none of the scientific "laws" known to man. Anyone who has any genuine interest in looking at any of the science at all knows this.

Additionally, the concept of a "scientific law" is a misnomer. For example, the scientific "laws" of Isaac Newton were basically overthrown by Einstein.

-CryptoLutheran

What affirmation truly matters? Anyone who denies Christ, He will deny before the Father and the angels. Those who confess Christ before man, Christ will confess before the Father. I do not know anything about Nicean creeds, nor about the hearts of man. All I know is that I abide in Him and He abides in me and Christ abides in the Father. Evolution can take a back seat for all I care to that. Do many who hold to evolution seem to try to exhalt an ideal over the knowledge of God? The word says that anything that tries to do that must be cast down.

bloodbought09 said:

Does adhering to evolution alone make us Christian?

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Adhering to creationism alone does not make you a Christian either!

Asking Christ into your heart is what makes you a Christian!

Mess said:

Evolution isn't true anyway, not macro evolution anyway, so what is there to reconcile? Let me ask this, how can evolution be reconciled with science, when the whole idea of evolution is ignoring every scientific law known to man?

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Very scientific analysis - where is your evidence for your claims?

bloodbought09 said:

Evolution seems to be guilty of everything that the unbeliever says about those who believe in Jesus Christ: No proof, delusional, blind faith, and un-intelligent. No wonder, I find myself at times as well as others often put their own burdens on others and oftentimes it is not true. People sometimes do not like to deal with their own shortcomings and point out others shortcomings. Oh well. We all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. I still sometimes miss the mark, but He still loves me. Do not ever recall evolution ever loving anyone.

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Evolution is a process, the mechanism by which God created the world - of course a process can't love us, that is a silly suggestion

solarwave said:

Well that is one interpretation of it. I take the beginning of Genesis as largely a spiritual myth. Original sin to me simply means that humans have an innate tendency to sin. This is true whether there is a God or not.



Your certain are you? From where do you get this infallible information good sir?

But seriously this isn't true. What about people who accepted evolution and then became Christians? What about people who have been evolutionists and Christians for decades? It may be true that some theistic evolutionists are moving towards atheism, but for others that wont be true.

Did Jesus believe the creation story was literally true? Well I don't know, maybe, but I'm ok with that. I'm under the impression that the Bible isn't a science book and that isn't it's purpose.

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I think we are on the same side.I think the bible is more of a guide book until
we grew up in knowledge,and could then study the unverse for ourselves.
In schools we have summarised history books for younger children,
which then develops or should at each stage until people do their own
research going out on a limb if they are serious researchers.
Of course nowadays the true researchers are smal in number.
Most are paid to toe the line, and keep the atheist flag flying.
The good that comes from this is that Christians cannot rest in their
cosy bible is all, lazy mode,and it all makes for a great challenge
towards spiritual scientific progress .

Celtic D said:

Evolution is a process, the mechanism by which God created the world - of course a process can't love us, that is a silly suggestion

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It is a silly suggestion, huh? The one conflict here is the word evolution as the process of creation. Seems a substitute to the actual account in the bible and a way to flatter the minds of men who are in most part not of the mind of Christ. If I were not a fire walkin, tongue talkin, devil stompin, son of the Most High God, I might care about the opinion and please the hearts of men as well. But, without faith it is impossible to please God. I do not think it matters to believe the evolution account of creation. Again weird to me. Since when does it say that studying evolution and believing it has any part in the account of creation pleases God. Does the one who made the mind, care to study the evolutionary account of creation. I believe that God knows very well how He created everything and it can be found in the words that He said. Right? And if we want to know, we may want to go to His word or have Him reveal it to us. Not a bunch of people who we are not even supposed to be unequally yoked with, namely unbelievers. I do think that God cares more about upholding justice, taking care of the fatherless, pleading the cause of the widow, and taking care of the poor and downcast. But, not even many in churches do that as well. So he says in Jeremiah, call for the weeping women. They have forsaken the land and have been cast out of their dwellings. Seems the Holy Spirit comes to convict of righteousness and truly cares more about us developing wisdom and holiness. For God says, be holy as I am holy, not think about this and think about that, prove this and prove that and higher the vibration of your mind and spirit. But renew your mind with the word of God. Present your bodies as a living sacrifice to God which is a reasonable service. Christ gave it all, and we should know that we love Him for He loves us first. At times I cared for nothing but what I put on and who cares about whether others have food and clothing. I was loveless. Why would a loving God love me. But I guess that is one reason why we now love Him. Oh, wretched man that I am. Who will save me from this body of death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ......Man's imaginations can still take the back seat to that. Christ in us, the hope of glory, not the PHD is scientific thought or philosophy. Where is plato or socrates without Christ. Sure, Socrates believed in one God, Good! Even the demons believe in one God and tremble! Ha. All that matters is Jesus is Lord.

Celtic D said:

Adhering to creationism alone does not make you a Christian either!

Asking Christ into your heart is what makes you a Christian!

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Trust a Scot to to get it so precision like.
That mixture of intellectual pragmatism,and high mindedness .
Bravo !

Reading the Bible leaves one in no doubt as to the order of things. God created man on the 6th day (after "the evening and the morning" of the previous 5). Man then sinned, allowing sin to enter creation and the whole of creation now groans in bondage and captivity and "awaits the manifestations of the sons of God."

Evolution is a demonic theory that attempts to undermine the truth. Those that believe it have chosen to deny faith in the the Word of God.

The theory of evolution is ever changing, defies logic, is based on flawed presumptions, in unprovable, has never been observed.
Furthermore there are only a handful of fossils that could be interpretated as being transitional and that in spite of billions being found. On top of that there are much clear evidence to show that so called dinosaurs of millions of years ago intermingled with humanity less than a 1000 years ago.

Untimately we all have to believe the Bible or trust in our own (or some one else's) understanding.

Reading the Bible leaves one in no doubt as to the order of things. God created man on the 6th day (after "the evening and the morning" of the previous 5). Man then sinned, allowing sin to enter creation and the whole of creation now groans in bondage and captivity and "awaits the manifestations of the sons of God."

Evolution is a demonic theory that attempts to undermine the truth. Those that believe it have chosen to deny faith in the the Word of God.

The theory of evolution is ever changing, defies logic, is based on flawed presumptions, in unprovable, has never been observed.
Furthermore there are only a handful of fossils that could be interpretated as being transitional and that in spite of billions being found. On top of that there are much clear evidence to show that so called dinosaurs of millions of years ago intermingled with humanity less than a 1000 years ago.

Ultimately we all have to believe the Bible or trust in our own (or some one else's) understanding.

Reading the Bible leaves one in no doubt as to the order of things. God created man on the 6th day (after "the evening and the morning" of the previous 5). Man then sinned, allowing sin to enter creation and the whole of creation now groans in bondage and captivity and "awaits the manifestations of the sons of God."

Evolution is a demonic theory that attempts to undermine the truth. Those that believe it have chosen to deny faith in the the Word of God.

The theory of evolution is ever changing, defies logic, is based on flawed presumptions, in unprovable, has never been observed.
Furthermore there are only a handful of fossils that could be interpretated as being transitional and that in spite of billions being found. On top of that there are much clear evidence to show that so called dinosaurs of millions of years ago intermingled with humanity less than a 1000 years ago.

Ultimately we all have to believe the Bible or trust in our own (or some one else's) understanding.

As per the other thread bloodbought09 please can you put your writngs into logical paragraphs I can't follow what you are saying the way it is currently written, and I have better things to do with my time than try and decifer what you are saying - thank you

underheaven said:

I think we are on the same side.I think the bible is more of a guide book until
we grew up in knowledge,and could then study the unverse for ourselves.
In schools we have summarised history books for younger children,
which then develops or should at each stage until people do their own
research going out on a limb if they are serious researchers.
Of course nowadays the true researchers are smal in number.
Most are paid to toe the line, and keep the atheist flag flying.
The good that comes from this is that Christians cannot rest in their
cosy bible is all, lazy mode,and it all makes for a great challenge
towards spiritual scientific progress .

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First line, "I think". Where is the mind of Christ? Sounds like a bunch of stuff I used to think when I was not a Christian. Egypt is the place of bondage. It is time to cross the Jordan and go to the promised land. I rest in my cozy bible but I am far from lazy. I guess that is because I learn much about diligence and integrity in the bible and so much more because I am not of scientific mind but of the mind of Christ. I pray in the Spirit and the spirit prays and the bible says we speak mysteries of God. I think that spirituality that helps to renew my mind with the bible and to build myself up on my "most holy faith" is far above your "spiritual scientific progress" because that is where you get the thought of "evolution process of creation". You have mixed the world with spirituality.

"I wish you were hot or cold, but since you are lukewarm I am about to spit you out of My mouth"

You do not know that you are poor, wretched, and naked. Come let me clothe you in righteousness, cover you with my blood, buy from me gold refined in the fire. Am I not a consuming fire? Will you find Me in worldly wisdom?

I think His word and His name are still above all things. Besides is evolution sharper than any two-edged sword? Able to divide between soul and spirit, bone and marrow, a discerner of the intentions and motivations of the heart? Keep mixing man's thoughts with the word of God. I will study the word of God and abide in Him and we will see where we stand later on. On the left or on the right. As I can see, many would rather sit on the fence. It seems safe there. But certainly the word says we will be able to discern between him who does or does not serve the Lord. And He will still separate the sheeps from the goats and the chaff from the wheat. The wheat will go into the barn and the chaff will be burned. Hopefully before it comes to it the chaff will be what is not of God in us and the wheat will be what remains, that which will last and will recieve an eternal reward.

Why does it not sound familiar?

berachah said:

Evolution is a demonic theory that attempts to undermine the truth. Those that believe it have chosen to deny faith in the the Word of God.

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You've got no idea what you are talking about! - I am a Christian and I have faith in God

And please provide us with some of this so called "evidence" that you have refered to - thanks