How could anyone be a birther

[BabyChristian22]

I hate it when people say "you just don't get it, do you" but you just don't get it, do you?

Let me put it another way. Conservatives don't try to redefine words in order to make the word fit a person's beliefs. And with this concept, we judge Socialism by its historical definition. We don't try to redefine it. Liberals have redefined the word "bigot" to include anyone who doesn't agree with them. Get it?

 

[AMDG]

Most people applying for Social Security in the 1960's and 70's probably didn't have birth certificates at all. They might have a baptisimal certificate, or a school record, or a vaccination record.

A Baptismal certificate is valid. Otherwise brothers or sisters need to verify. I know they accepted a baptismal certificate for my grandmother (seems the midwife registered her as a male.) And even my uncle had to have his birth certificate corrected by another uncle back in the 1980s (something about the middle name being incorrect.)

But in some thread here some time ago I already listed the presidents who had questions concerning their birth certificates. You see the Founders wrote it so that a requirement for presidency was being a "natural born" citizen--*not* a native born citizen or a naturalized citizen. It's a touch more complicated than just being born here in the U.S. (although it's been in the works for it to be changed, but that will take all the states agreeing.) According to the 1875 Supreme Court ruling on a case concerning the 14th Amendment, it has to due with the *parents* being citizens--not just being born here. John McCain was born of two citizens on military station and had to have Congress vote to consider him a "natural born citizen". (Here's a bit of irony for ya--then Senator Obama voted for it.) And when Goldwater ran for office back in 1964, there were question about him because he was born in Arizona Territory, which only later became a state of the United States. Believe there is also a president who simply became president due to the fact that he was elected VP and then had to assume the office. There's questions that he was actually born in Canada and not in a bordertown in the U.S. (Nothing was ever proved in that case because he burned the records.)

Gotta tell you, this stuff is interesting. I wonder why it isn't taught in school anymore.

 

[KatherineS]

The difference is that conservatives don't like bigotry,

Actually, conservativism has given us quite a few bigots.

 

[Fantine]

Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico.

I remember reading that when HE was considering running for President in the 1970's.

I guess we should remind Sarah Palin of this so she can go after Mitt.

 

[AMDG]

Mitt Romney's dad was born in Mexico.

I remember reading that when HE was considering running for President in the 1970's.

I guess we should remind Sarah Palin of this so she can go after Mitt.

How did Sarah Palin get into this?

But yes, there was a bunch of questions back then. Seems that Romney's grandfather was a U.S. citizen but was in a group from Utah in Mexico and that's why Mitt's dad was born there. I too read of the brouhaha back in the day. Nothing came of it though.

Some of the others are strange. Like the one where some little third party guy ran for the office of president under another man's name to get around the "natural citizen" thingie. No big thing--he really had no chance of winning. (You know I think you can find all this at Wikipedia--the one I believe one of you really like.)

Let's see who might come under scrutiny in the future? Bobby Jindal? Nikki Haley? Who all else had parents who weren't citizens at the time of their birth? Or will the Obama one set the precedent so that they won't have to get the states to change by Ammendment and "native born" will become "natural born" without the change? (Has anyone but me noticed that when someone says something about "natural born" the conversation is turned to "native born" or the inquiror is laughed at? I thought I was imagining it at first and now it's barely mentioned at all.)

 

[BabyChristian22]

I still think it's odd that Obama's wife has stated that his home country is Kenya when he's the president of the USA. Has any other president of the USA had a foreign country as their home country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k

 

[AMDG]

Has any other president of the USA had a foreign country as their home country?

One. Chester A. Arthur. Don't think he even refuted the idea that he was born in Canada and not in a little town in Vermont. Never proved though. No birth certificate available and the records were destroyed.

President of the United States of America: Which American Presidents have never released their birth certificate? - Quora

 

[BabyChristian22]

One. Chester A. Arthur. Don't think he even refuted the idea that he was born in Canada and not in a little town in Vermont. Never proved though. No birth certificate available and the records were destroyed.

President of the United States of America: Which American Presidents have never released their birth certificate? - Quora

Why was the first birth certificate provided to prove Obama's citizenship an apparent forgery? So three years later a different one appears. Why didn't the next one come out until 3 years later? And why only after his father's best friend took control of Hawaii as the governor? These are questions that I think no one is even willing to look at. If it was so easy for Obama to prove that he was born here, why didn't he just come out with a real certificate of live birth in the first place 4 years ago when people first started asking about it?

 

[KatherineS]

How did Sarah Palin get into this?

If it is crazy, she gets herself into it.

 

[AMDG]

Why was the first birth certificate provided to prove Obama's citizenship an apparent forgery? So three years later a different one appears. Why didn't the next one come out until 3 years later? And why only after his father's best friend took control of Hawaii as the governor? These are questions that I think no one is even willing to look at. If it was so easy for Obama to prove that he was born here, why didn't he just come out with a real certificate of live birth in the first place 4 years ago when people first started asking about it?

I think the first birth certificate just didn't look like the normal ones. It was a short form. Doesn't have all the info a long form does. (My husband has a short form from another state. I have a long form from yet another state.) The short forms do look weird. For the longest time Obama said that no long form existed--he tried to go with the short form. When Trump pushed it, viola a long form appeared--Trump seemed satisfied but that was later questioned by photoshop experts. It's all a mystery to me and it get's more and more mysterious. Not so much the birth certificate, but the Social Security card and that draft card thing and more.

I just can't figure out why if there's a crime committed *against* the president and it's recommended that there be an investigation because of it, everyone just wants to laugh and ignore it. I thought the Dems at least *liked* Obama. Another mystery.

My advise: Make a list of mysteries to which we'd like answers, and when we get to heaven...

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Oh heck, keep talking. There is no one more than Mitt Romney that wants to put an end the the birther talk. It shows what type of people are the President's opponents.

Who cares about Mitt? He has the same positions as Obama does. It's a choice between Goldmann-Sachs, bankster controlled Obama or Goldmann-Sachs Bankster controlled Romney? The only logical and real choice is Ron Paul. He's the only honest one of the bunch. Why vote for the other two? They're both war-mongers, want to keep us on debt-system of money, have the Fed control our economy, support inflation, are bankrolled by megacorporations, are NOT supported by the Troops (Ron Paul has the highest support among the troops more so than Obama or Romney), both Support the NDAA (which Obama can use to arrest you and indefinitely detain you without trial or charge, or reason, and the Patriot Act (stripping you of constitutional rights for a warrant and to to be free from illegal searches and seizures, etc.), both support Foreign AID to prop up dictators and Terrorists states (e.g. Iran, Israel, Pakistan, etc.)

 

[Brooklyn Knight]

Who cares about Mitt? He has the same positions as Obama does. It's a choice between Goldmann-Sachs, bankster controlled Obama or Goldmann-Sachs Bankster controlled Romney? The only logical and real choice is Ron Paul. He's the only honest one of the bunch. Why vote for the other two? They're both war-mongers, want to keep us on debt-system of money, have the Fed control our economy, support inflation, are bankrolled by megacorporations, are NOT supported by the Troops (Ron Paul has the highest support among the troops more so than Obama or Romney), both Support the NDAA (which Obama can use to arrest you and indefinitely detain you without trial or charge, or reason, and the Patriot Act (stripping you of constitutional rights for a warrant and to to be free from illegal searches and seizures, etc.), both support Foreign AID to prop up dictators and Terrorists states (e.g. Iran, Israel, Pakistan, etc.)

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Actually, conservativism has given us quite a few bigots.

I think you mispoke; I think, perhaps you meant to say:

"Actually, The Democratic Party has given us quite a few bigots.​

The Democratic Party . . . .

Brought to you by the same racists, that founded the KKK and have stonewalled and blocked every effort at making the Coloured person's life better or guaranteeing him his God-given and Constitutional rights that as a free man, he has the right to have. Whether it be abolishing slavery, the right to suffrage, equal treatment under the law, Jim Crow Laws, fixed juries, lynch-mobs, blocking de-segregation, et cetera.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

I always do enjoy a good and appreciative audience . . .

 

[S.ilvio]

Can't remember the thread where I was called a "Birther" when I'm not--I'm just interested in a good mystery. But when I found this article today, I remembered what I was called and thought that I should post it for all you folks that don't know what a "Birther" is.

How Can Anyone Be A Birther? : Personal Liberty Alerts=

The article just shows that there are some unanswered questions and (to me, at least) indicates that just because answers are desired, does not make one a "whack job".

I was the one who called you a Birther and this post confirms it...

 

[Antigone]

Uh... Ryan Gosling? Have you been on the internet lately, BK?

I was the one who called you a Birther and this post confirms it...

I called her one too.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

A few in this thread are. I am one. AMDG is one. To us, it seems quite logical question to be asking and enquiring. I don't expect your agreement. Given your posts, you disagree. Such happens in life. At any event, asking such 'questions' or doubting the eligibility of one's president's credentials that would enable his eligibility to be president of one's homeland is not racist; it is practical and in the case of all the enigma and cover-ups surrounding this, rather curious and necessary.

One could invent a racist fiction to pidgeon-hole and silence her opponents in this quarrel, as Ms Katherine has, as a faux-support for her opposition to so-called 'Birthers', alas, it would not be well or good for her in the arguing. The heart of the matter is finding solid facts to determine Mr Obama's eligibility. If he's qualified. Alright, then, he's qualified. I'm still not voting for him or Romney.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

yawn

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Don't you have something better to do, Cos? Like campaign for Dennis Kucinich or something?

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Don't you have something better to do, Cos? Like campaign for Dennis Kucinich or something?

Is Dennis Kucinich running for something ?