How could anyone be a birther

[Virgil the Roman]

There's nothing amiss or 'wrong' with the being a birther of the sort. Would Alan Keyes, black man, be considered racist for subscribing or being a 'birther'? Likewise, if one would support Alan Keyes or other black, conservative men for the president, yet not believe that Obama was born in the U.S., then one cannot or is not a racist. This is all trying to pidgeon-holing your opponents with the racist cannard in a pitful and sad attempt to silence your opposition to your corrupt, closet Far-Leftist, crappy incumbent president: Obama.

Blame Hilary Clinton and the Clinton campaign as racists (falsely called racists, rather). Which they would not be for doing this; at any rate.

It was due to their hard work that Obama was first questioned as being born in Kenya or being ineligible as president. I should probably thank the Clintonites for doing this one thing right. Kudos to them!

 

[Antigone]

Blame Hilary Clinton and the Clinton campaign as racists (falsely called racists, rather). Which they would not be for doing this; at any rate.

It was due to their hard work that Obama was first questioned as being born in Kenya or being ineligible as president. I should probably thank the Clintonites for doing this one thing right. Kudos to them!

Myeah, the Clintons never actually fell for that. They're politicians, not idiots.

Note that the two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[AMDG]

If actually providing a long-form birth certificate considered legitimate by every qualified individual who examined it (and who did not believe beforehand that Obama was born in Kenya) isn't enough, what would be?

You do know that even Obama's attorney has said that the April long form birth certificate is of questionable authenticity. But I'd like to know why, since it *is* questionable (according to experts), there's not an investigation on who would do such a thing as was wanted. It's a possible crime against the president for Pete's sake! So now it's okay to commit crimes against the president? *That's* just wrong, IMO. On second thought, if it's okay for the Secret Service to be involved in scandals and the GSA to commit crimes against the taxpayers, and Holder to be involved in "Fast and Furious" (which cost a border guard his life) and for Holder to give his blessing on the voter intimidation by the New Black Panthers, well I guess "anything goes."

 

[Antigone]

You do know that even Obama's attorney has said that the April long form birth certificate is of questionable authenticity. But I'd like to know why, since it *is* questionable (according to experts), there's not an investigation on who would do such a thing as was wanted. It's a possible crime against the president for Pete's sake! So now it's okay to commit crimes against the president? *That's* just wrong, IMO. On second thought, if it's okay for the Secret Service to be involved in scandals and the GSA to commit crimes against the taxpayers, and Holder to be involved in "Fast and Furious" (which cost a border guard his life) and to give his blessing on voter intimidation by the New Black Panthers, well I guess "anything goes."

See, this is what I regard as birther-by-extension: you support all kinds of unsubstantiated rumours because you've got a grudge about losing the election.

Instead of smearing the current president, go out and start lobbying for a candidate you like. Let me know why he's good, not why Obama is bad.

 

[AMDG]

See, this is what I regard as birther-by-extension: you support all kinds of unsubstantiated rumours because you've got a grudge about losing the election.

Instead of smearing the current president, go out and start lobbying for a candidate you like. Let me know why he's good, not why Obama is bad.

For Pete's sake the incidents are *real*. They have actually happened. There's no "unsubstantiated rumors" about it. There are news articles. There are Congressional hearings. (Even contempt of Congress charges on the Fast and Furious debacle. There's even video of some of the things. I just can't figure why it's all being "swept under the carpet". Does someone simply refuse to see and so does not want any discussion of any of it at all? Don't remember this *ever* happening in my lifetime.

And for the life of me, I can't figure out why some people seem to think it's okay.

 

[Antigone]

For Pete's sake the incidents are *real*. They have actually happened. There's no "unsubstantiated rumors" about it. There are news articles. There are Congressional hearings. (Even contempt of Congress charges on the Fast and Furious debacle. There's even video of some of the things. I just can't figure why it's all being "swept under the carpet". Does someone simply refuse to see and so does not want any discussion of any of it at all? Don't remember this *ever* happening in my lifetime.

But that's the problem. You exaggerate things and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc your way through things that aren't connected, and then you say 'but it's all backed up.' Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean all these things are connected.

I suspect that this is why so many people (not necessarily you) dislike the mainstream media: they have to present coherent arguments because if they don't, someone will call them out on it. Which is why this sort of news, which, in your eyes, is not being told properly in the mainstream media, never makes it there: because it doesn't hold up to the rules of logic and debate.

 

[AMDG]

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. | Photo

But there will come a day when the vodka wears off and people will actually have to address what's happening.

 

[Antigone]

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. | Photo

But there will come a day when the vodka wears off and people will actually have to address what's happening.

These is a certain kool-aid related image I'm tempted to summon in riposte to your charming view on either proverbial or actual alcohol consumption.

But that'd be taking things too far, right?

(Also, it was flavor-aid)

 

[BabyChristian22]

What did they do a poor job with? They identifyed that he was born in the United States, what did they not do?

Here are some of the reasons why Obama's election was shady:

- The ACORN voter fraud scandal cover-up and subsequent media blackout

- Obama went unchallenged and unquestioned by the media with the only exception being FoxNews. The Obama stories were pure propaganda about how good he is to his Grandmother.

- Race was played up by the media to the max in support of Obama to the point of insinuating that anyone who wasn't for him was a racist who didn't believe in MLK's dream of racial equality.

- The pre-election day Obama prime-time half-hour infomercial during the world series

- Obama's records being sealed

- the first birth certificate made public looked like an obvious fake

- three years later, a different birth certificate suddenly surfaces, the second supposed proof that only surfaced after a long time close friend of the Obama family became governor of Hawaii. Why did it take a close friend of his family to gain control over Hawaii for him to suddenly obtain a Hawaii birth certificate that at least looks real?

- Michelle Obama says that Kenya is Obama's home country (seems odd for the president of the U.S.A)

- Then there's the question- was the 2nd certificate generated in cyberspace as the first one apparently was?

 

[Antigone]

Here are some of the reasons why Obama's election was shady:

- The ACORN voter fraud scandal cover-up and media blackout

- Obama's records being sealed

- the first birth certificate looked like a fake

- three years later, a different birth certificate suddenly surfaces
the second supposed proof that only surfaced after a close friend of the Obama family became governor of Hawaii. Why did it take a close friend of his family to gain control over Hawaii for him to suddenly obtain a Hawaii birth certificate?

- Then there are those who say that they can prove that the 2nd certificate was generated in cyberspace.

Okay, AMDG, point taken: he's a way bigger birther than you.

 

[BabyChristian22]

Okay, AMDG, point taken: he's a way bigger birther than you.

People keep throwing around that word "birther" but refuse to answer any of the questions. This is like the story of the emperor who had no clothes. No one would say anything because they were afraid to criticize him because he was the emperor.

 

[Antigone]

People keep throwing around that word "birther" but refuse to answer any of the questions.

I tend not to indulge delusions.

Prospective presidents of the USA are vetted extremely thoroughly. I have faith in that process and so should you. Any actual irregularities would have made it into the mainstream media by now because it would have been a scandal and journalists love uncovering those. As long as they don't, I'm fine and dandy.

 

[KatherineS]

Oh heck, keep talking. There is no one more than Mitt Romney that wants to put an end the the birther talk. It shows what type of people are the President's opponents.

 

[BabyChristian22]

I tend not to indulge delusions.

Prospective presidents of the USA are vetted extremely thoroughly. I have faith in that process and so should you. Any actual irregularities would have made it into the mainstream media by now because it would have been a scandal and journalists love uncovering those. As long as they don't, I'm fine and dandy.

Sorry, but I don't have blind faith in the government.

 

[KatherineS]

Sorry, but I don't have blind faith in the government.

But why accept blindly what the bigots tell you?

 

[BabyChristian22]

But why accept blindly what the bigots tell you?

You really love the word "bigot". Since you brought it up, what race are you?

 

[Fantine]

I would venture to guess that most of our U.S. Presidents had birth certificates "of questionable authenticity."

Most births were home births, probably until about 1920 or, in some areas of the country, even later.

Midwives didn't always get to the courthouse for several days. They didn't always have their facts straight.

Most people applying for Social Security in the 1960's and 70's probably didn't have birth certificates at all. They might have a baptisimal certificate, or a school record, or a vaccination record.

Given this information, it is probable that every President up to Herbert Hoover had questionable birth records.

And then we come to President Obama, whose birth records are much more valid than at least 35 or so of the previous Presidents'. But his father was from Africa, and, for some bizarre reason, this gives them the crazy notion that his 18 year-old mother would decide to go to Kenya to give birth, traveling when 9 months pregnant, coming back with a small infant, foregoing
American medical care. You are assuming the parents, both students, probably living on Ramen noodles, had the money for this adventure.

What we have here are wealthy neocons promoting false information to narrowminded prejudiced people who think that any American student who would marry an African man is so counterculture that who knows what she'd do?

 

[Antigone]

You really love the word "bigot".

It's the left-wing equivalent of 'socialist'.

 

[BabyChristian22]

It's the left-wing equivalent of 'socialist'.

The difference is that conservatives don't like bigotry, and that's why we don't like being called bigots. Liberals don't like being called socialists, but they like it and will always defend it when anyone says that socialism is wrong.

 

[Antigone]

The difference is that conservatives don't like bigotry, and that's why we don't like being called bigots. Liberals don't like being called socialists, but they like it and will always defend it when anyone says that socialism is wrong.

I hate it when people say "you just don't get it, do you" but you just don't get it, do you?

The difference is that the left often calls the right bigoted, whether warranted or not, and the right calls everything to the left of the Republican party socialist in a fashion that is clearly meant as derogatory. The antonym would be calling Romney a fascist; I'm sure some do it, but it would be equally inaccurate and therefore offensive.

It is possible to support correct terminology without supporting the ideology itself.